Ch now rip Sicheats Trainers?

[h4x0r #]

What happen?, no trainer for Oil Rush 1.0 and yes sicheats + 1, no trainer for Oil Rush 1.1 and yes sicheats +2 and Today VOILA!, CH have a + 2 Trainer?

Sicheats release:

Published on January 28, 2012 21:12: by Cocodrilo

CH Release:

Trainer . added: 1/28/2012 12:44:24 PM



Please CH, type here source Code from this trainer and come on to see comparation.

Great work, fantastic.

[cocodrilo]

with the same options, is really suspicious. it appears shortly after publishing the second version in SC.

The second release of SC: January 28, 2012 21:12 (time in spain)

CH release 12:45:44 PM: (time in EEUU).

with time zone difference, the CH trainer is released almost one hour later.

[Desu[Shield]]

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/ignorance.html

[h4x0r #]

Originally Posted by Desu[Shield]

http://philosophy.lander.edu/logic/ignorance.html

who are you?

please, leave from this post, thanks.

[Desu[Shield]]

Trolling implies that my implied statement with that link is incorrect. It is, however, a true statement as you are making a statement and demanding the opposing property provide proof of their innocence (the very definition of Argumentum ad Ignorantiam). It works the other way in that you must prove the opposing party is guilty with evidence that shows without any form of doubt. Posting two time stamps is not definitive proof to your claim.

[Joe Forster/STA]

Originally Posted by Desu[Shield]

It is, however, a true statement as you are making a statement and demanding the opposing property provide proof of their innocence (the very definition of Argumentum ad Ignorantiam). It works the other way in that you must prove the opposing party is guilty with evidence that shows without any form of doubt.

Have you been in a cave during the CheatHappens vs. h4x0r war?! CheatHappens - and their agents, fans, whatever - did the very same things: unfounded, vague accusations, without any actual proofs. Read our announcements and learn!

Originally Posted by Desu[Shield]

Also why would someone send in code to a website that is heavily biased in your favor?

Not biased in h4x0r's favor; biased against h4x0r's "enemies". If you don't understand the difference, remember that "the enemy of our enemy is our friend". And, since you're so fuckin' educated about logic, let me add this, too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_excluded_middle.

Originally Posted by cocodrilo

My trainer is public released for free, anyone can download and inspect.

Then there's no need for us to compare the two trainers as anyone can do that anyway. And that includes trainer coders, too, which I am not.

Originally Posted by Desu[Shield]

Posting the algorithms is high sensitive information.

Reminds me of this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_en...ey_controversy.

Originally Posted by Desu[Shield]

From what I've seen from previous topics, Joe is extremely biased against Cheat Happens and favors your work a lot better (and there is no guarantee that he would not slip information to you for your own use).

I don't remember of having ever used a CheatHappens or Sicheats trainer so I can't favor either side's work at all. By the way, the bold part is a shameless argumentum ad hominem: you're trying to belittle and discredit the other side, without any actual proofs. You yourself are using the logical somersaults that you're condemning the other side of. Conclusion: fuck off!

@CalFromCH: Permbanned for your obscene name-calling. Take your filthy mind elsewhere!

Originally Posted by PWizFromCH

BTW Joe, for a site that despises us so much, we sure do manage to monopolize your forums around here.

Which shows what you've been trying to deny all the time: that we're trying to remain impartial. (Which does not include letting people call us like Caliber does - another example of argumentum ad hominem -, at such an unacceptable level of disrespect that we never used against you. Shorten his leash!)

You remind of the Hungarian "Socialist" Party (not leftist: they have nothing to do with socialism, they're the local executors of international plutocracy) crying around that free speech is being banned by the national (rightist) government's allegedly dictatorial laws... and they do that in the Hungarian press. This really helps with their/your authenticity, doesn't it? Talk about an own goal.

Good that you mentioned despising: I think I should pity you instead...

Originally Posted by CalFromCH

the 'detectives' (...) have no grasp of communication, so i cannot even tell what the fuck they are talking about half the time.

Or - there are two sides of the coin! - your intellect is too low to grasp the logical jumps I make. (By the way, yet another argumentum ad hominem. Wait, already two: mine is also one!)

Originally Posted by CalFromCH

i think you can lock this one and put it away for posterity

Oh, you can bet we're gonna keep this as yet another memento! When the tide turns, I'm sure you'll regret and will want to take back some/most of whatever you've said here but that will be your problem, not ours.

As both parties dissected their own trainers, there's not much more to be said. Thread closed, we let readers make their own opinions.

[TippeX]

actually.. didnt spain recently pass a sopa-like law, where copyright infringing sites could be shut down?.... that. would be interesting to see it used...

would be like ch shooting themselves in the foot and leaving the gun on full auto

but im just devils advocate, the trainer wars took their toll

[cocodrilo]

For similar reasons haxor is publicly accused of ripper. ANYONE at this date has provided ANY evidence... only FAKED proofs (not hosted in sc servers and others using NET). I only need a real proof.

This situation is quite similar, but on inverse order. Do you have any problem to show your code to joe?.

Posting two time stamps is not definitive proof to your claim.

Yes, it is really.

Joe already has the source code of sicheats trainer... ¿can you send a copy of your trainer to joe? this code is only for joe to compare offsets instructions and he is free to ask to the two parts for any doubt.

You do not need the entire code, only the function that does the work and the logic of how to get to that point.

TippeX yes, the law is "sinde" in Spain. but sicheats does not infringe any copyright.

I using a free express edition of MSVC to make a trainers, and released for free.

My trainers probably works in cracked games because it looks for patterns, is not done in cracked versions of the game.

[Desu[Shield]]

How is two time stamps definitive proof? If Microsoft Office releases their next product 1 hour later than LibreOffice releases their next product then Microsoft has copied code directly from LibreOffice?

Also why would someone send in code to a website that is heavily biased in your favor? Not only that but you requested it to be copied and pasted directly in public domain (a message forum post). How willing are you to do that with your own source code? Not likely at all.

[cocodrilo]

How is two time stamps definitive proof? If Microsoft Office releases their next product 1 hour later than LibreOffice releases their next product then Microsoft has copied code directly from LibreOffice?

in my first post:

with the same options, is really suspicious. it appears shortly after publishing the second version in SC.

suspicious != definitive proof

please read the previous post. the claim is simply, third request:

Do you have any problem to show your code to joe?.

Also why would someone send in code to a website that is heavily biased in your favor? Not only that but you requested it to be copied and pasted directly in public domain (a message forum post). How willing are you to do that with your own source code? Not likely at all.

My trainer is public released for free, anyone can download and inspect.

can you make a public version to see if there is something similar in your trainer?. sc trainer is public to anyone. feel free to download and decompile it. isn't crypted or compressed.

in many post only rejects the show something.

More simply:

1 : ¿what offset or pattern uses your trainer?

2: ¿any particular reason for this address? please explain.

[Desu[Shield]]

Do you have any problem to show your code to joe?.

Any sensible developer would say no to this question. Posting the algorithms is high sensitive information. You have no definitive proof that Cheat Happens is guilty other than some "time stamp". If anything, Cheat Happens can probably use the exact same argument against you for several trainer titles (and I seriously doubt you are willing to comply in return). From what I've seen from previous topics, Joe is extremely biased against Cheat Happens and favors your work a lot better (and there is no guarantee that he would not slip information to you for your own use).

[cocodrilo]

more word, but.....

My trainer is public released for free, anyone can download and inspect.

can you make a public version to see if there is something similar in your trainer?. sc trainer is public to anyone. feel free to download and decompile it. isn't crypted or compressed.

More simply:

1 : ¿what offset or pattern uses your trainer?

2: ¿any particular reason for this address? please explain.

If anything, Cheat Happens can probably use the exact same argument against you for several trainer titles (and I seriously doubt you are willing to comply in return). From what I've seen from previous topics, Joe is extremely biased against Cheat Happens and favors your work a lot better (and there is no guarantee that he would not slip information to you for your own use).

this trainer has minimum 3 ways to do the same effect in different offsets. would be a casuality to be the same address in the two trainers... ¿right?.

As for what (trainers) I do I can answer without any kind of problems any questions.

Any sensible developer would say no to this question. Posting the algorithms is high sensitive information

Not all code is required, only a function of this trainer and the offset or pattern. for example my pattern:

BYTE patron[] = {0x8B,0x43,0x10,0x89,0x47,0x10,0xEB,0x63,0x8B,0x43,0x10,0x89,0x47,0x10,0x8B,0x43,0x14,0x89,0x47,0x14,0xEB,0x55,0x0F,0x28,0x43,0x10};

is this "sensitive information"?

[cocodrilo]

Any sensible developer would say no to this question. Posting the algorithms is high sensitive information

It's the same situation in which you accused haxor...¿what is the difference now? I will explain:

The difference is that in this case provide real evidence that anyone can examine.

[h4x0r #]

PWIZARD say:

Game is script based and incredibly difficult to work with. These will be the only options and we will update it for newer versions as we can.

incredibly difficult?, you are a simple trainer uploader, you can confirm this dificulty?, Caliber is the coder, who are you, the money-man transfer?

cant add more options?, Sicheats YES, CAN ADD MORE OPTIONS.

we have nothing to hide, absolutely NOTHING, they only know to steal private information and BLA BLA BLA.

Look PWIZARD signature, all me personal data en family is free published, You can go to jail PWIZARD, you are a human rights violator and just put my example, who knows how many people are being threatened by you!

look a good lawyer PWIZARD, because you'll need.

[Desu[Shield]]

You have his information posted in a topic on your site as well h4x0r. Don't deny it because I can see it. You are just as guilty as he is for DOXing personal information.