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@ Grumpy - Thats some accusation and exactly the kind of response I expected from you. I was actually testing the water and the unhelpful git remark was made tongue in cheek . You personally have helped me with issues regarding games and for that I am grateful but I havent made any personal jibe at you. Very apt name by the way.
I really couldnt give a rats arse what you think of me and as for your reply, well, considering youre a moderator , a little childish dont you think ? Yes there is all the information required to browse this site and maybe questions shouldnt be asked by the newbies. I just feel that the way some of you guys reply is a little harsh is all. Same goes to you Joe Forster, you get right up my nose to be truthful and it's plain to see how many posts you have made, you obviously have nothing better to do than reply to threads and be rude to people. Infact, I dont know why im even wasting my time replying to this pitiful tripe. Peeps that visit this site for the most part want help backing up a game they own ( ok so a few will have illegal downloaded copies ) not a response such as " use the search button " or " dont you read the rules?". My point being, you guys that seem to spend so much time moderating may like to spend a little time responding in a less rude fashion. Grumpy, keep up the good work with the cd-DVD conversions and Joe, please lighten up a touch otherwise I'll have to start calling you the headmaster ! |
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Had you been around for like 7-8 years, you'd know how many lamers have always been coming here; you'd know how annoying it is to see the same questions and rule-breaking posts again and again; you'd see how hard to it to maintain order without being strict and telling lamers to behave themselves upon sight.
Probably, you're the "let the child do whatever he or she wants" kind of (would-be) parent. I'm certainly not. Now imagine you have a couple of thousand children. Whose strategy is going to work? Also, if you think we with Grumpy are not the right persons for this "job" (doing it for free, of course), you're questioning the other moderators and administrators, as well, who chose us from among senior members. Also, you might have not noticed but some members - experienced, probably oldsk00l-type people - are not even satisfied with the current rate of banning! This whole thing boils down to the following question: if someone has a sensible question here, will he or she find the answer in an efficient way which is not only fast but gives no unnecessary burden/trouble to other members? (Remember, your problem is yours, not ours; you don't have the right to expect us to solve it completely for you, as you haven't paid for this service.) If there's a FAQ, he or she needs to read it; that's much more efficient than asking, even for him or her. If there are forum rules, he or she needs to adhere to them so that he or she won't annoy other members with wrong posts. Members who have useful knowledge, questions and answers - power users; higher in the hierarchy of "usefulness" to the forum and each other - will like order because they can discuss useful topics. Members who just drop in here for a fast (and, mostly, frequently asked) question and expect fast, accurate and detailed answers - newbies or lamers; lower in the hierarchy - shouldn't be allowed to disturb power users. And there's only one way to turn from a newbie into a power user: by learning yourself and making yourself useful to the forum (or, in general: community).
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Sending the "message" costs much more than 5$ (about 2 pounds) that I currently dont have ^^ (Act of War addon, just couldnt resist HEHE) Very creative tho
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I certainly dont mind being called grumpy but when someone says 'being a grumpy unhelpful git' to me I take that as a 'personal jibe'! Wether it was tongue in cheek or not! Most people test the water with their toes, or even an elbow, they dont usually test with their mouths and swallow large mouthfuls!! Quote:
If you dont like the way things are done here then dont bother visiting! With your kind of remarks the site certainly wouldnt be missing anything, it would be no great loss and I am sure the site would still survive without you! I have helped plenty of the newbies, and I really dont mind helping them, I can appreciate we were all newbies once. I just dont like to help the obvious warez users! But it can irk me when some of the easier questions, which have been asked over and over again, can be easily found by the use of the 'Search' button. Most answers are only fingertips away. Next time you see us write "Use the search button" try it yourself. Search for that topic and you too will see how easily and quickly that person could have found their answer! Next time you see us write "Read the FAQ" again try it yourself and again see how that person could have quickly found the answer they were looking for! In most cases they would have found their answer quicker than the time it takes for someone to answer them with "Use the Search Button" or "Read the FAQ"!! Also, in telling people to use these 2 methods of help, we are actually teaching them how to best benifit from this site and show them how to quickly and easily find the answers for their next future problem. That way they wont just rely on someone else to do it for them. By finding the answers to their questions themselves they will then gain the knowledge to point other newbies in the right direction. Yes all newbies do have the ability to learn! And learn fast they can if they just follow a few simple guidelines. Easy really! Now you go smoke some more pot or whatever drug it is you enjoy! I couldnt just finish off without at least adding one 'childish' remark!
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This is supposed to be my final reply to this discussion as I don't have much time to waste; it's giving me a headache to collect my thoughts into a written form; and, as a moderator, by definition, we don't have to justify our actions. I'm only trying to explain things for an educational value: to show you around deeper into the rabbit hole.
Have you read the recommendations in the FAQ on how to check, (possibly) solve and report problems with (original or cracked) PC games? Do you understand that (most of) the information described there is necessary for a specific answer, otherwise you can only guess or ask back for more details? (I've done user support previously for about 4-5 years at my work place; believe me, I know what I'm talking about!) Have you seen (at least, some of) this information in problem reports of newbies? No. So, newbies get back what they gave: nothing; general answers ("read the FAQ") for general questions ("why does my game not work?"; "how do I make my game work?"). Their reply to the general answer is what differentiates them between a newbie ("I read the FAQ and solved the problem", "I read the FAQ but it still doesn't work" etc.) and a lamer ("I don't understand the FAQ", "I need a (more) specific answer", "I need help urgently, I don't have time to read FAQ's" etc.). Also, do you realize that you won't get far without, at least, basic information about the hardware and software components of your PC at the official support helpdesk or forum of game publisher either? You must understand that lamers (not newbies!) are parasites of the forum/community. There is an enormous amount of them and they keep constantly pouring in; they don't want to learn themselves and spend their own time with solving problems, they expect others to give them fast, specific and detailed solutions; and, the worst of all, they only take but never give. They are wasting the community's resources by repeatedly asking the same simple, uninformative, and mostly already answered questions. (First I thought I could accept it if some people are willing to answer the same questions again and again - although those people shouldn't expect others to do the same. However, later I understood that getting their stupid questions always answered may make lamers think that it is their damn right and they can expect the same from everyone and get even greedier and nastier. So, in the long run, answering the same questions again and again shouldn't be encouraged either.) That's not tolerable, therefore, lamers should be thrown out of the community on sight - perhaps, after one warning! (And I haven't even started talking about idiots getting banned because of their very first post already breaking the forum rules; truly pathetic!) A seemingly far-fetched, but actually quite analoguous example for you... A year and a half ago, I bought a bicycle and have been cycling to my work place and back about every other day, in good weather. First 16, then - after my work place having moved - 33 kilometers a day, above 4000 kilometers so far. I know the traffic rules very well - have read them several times and even called the police hotline to have some of them explained to me - and now I consider myself an experienced biker who obeys the traffic rules. Back at the beginning, the whole thing was pretty new to me because I haven't done cycling for more than a decade before and then only with my parents. Unfortunately, Budapest (capital of Hungary, about 35 kilometers across) has only about 130-140 kilometers of bicycle lanes or roads. (Compare that to Vienna, which is - as far as I know - smaller, but with about 1000 kilometers of bicycle lanes or roads!) It's mostly bicycle lanes which means that part of the sidewalk is marked with different color, pattern and/or closed between two yellow painted lines; on such lanes, pedestrians are not allowed to stand, move or cross without looking around and making sure that they're not in the way of any cyclist. (Bicycle roads are part of the road, a separate lane, besides the normal lanes for cars and motorcycles.) In the first few weeks, I was courteous with pedestrians because cycling through the city was new to me, I was cautious because I didn't know exactly where the bicycle lanes were going, and I wasn't sure if I understood the traffic rules properly. Some of the pedestrians excused but many were annoyed, a few even shouted back "what the hell are you doing here, on the sidewalk?", even if they were the ones having broken the traffic rules. (The bicycle lane is logically part of the road, even it is physically part of the sidewalk and, therefore, similar rules apply to it.) After about two weeks, I understood that it is the same as with everything in this country: Hungarian people just don't give a fuck about anything or anyone else. Therefore, now I'm not courteous anymore, except for children (you don't know what they do next; very dangerous!), young women (being a gentleman! ) and old people (oh well, they learn slow); young men and middle-aged people should've already learnt the traffic rules and should now obey them. If they don't, that's not my problem, I shout them off the bicycle lane and don't listen to their complaints or curses.What is funny is that when I bought a bicycle for my sister and we made our first trip with it - to my work place and back; this time on the bank of the Danube, the river going through Budapest, for the view -, it didn't take her two weeks to get annoyed about pedestrians walking on the bicycle lane; it took her less than an hour. She went ahead, shouted them off the bicycle lane and I followed her with a big grin on my face. Now, tell me, who's at fault? Me, expressing my right to commute on part of the road explicitly dedicated to me by traffic signs and obvious differences on the sidewalk; or pedestrians who just keep going, without keeping the traffic rules in mind? Am I arrogant because I got fed up with their carelessness and stopped being courteous; or are they arrogant because most of them thinks that, as a pedestrian, no traffic rules apply to them and car/bicycle/etc. drivers should look out for them and yield to them without question? If you think this behavior of pedestrians is okay then get a stopper watch, go to The Netherlands, stand on a bicycle lane in a larger city and count the time before you get run over and shouted at beforehands or afterwards. I'm sure it will take less than a minute. And The Netherlands is a country of much higher cultural level than Hungary. But exactly because of this high cultural level, they understand that people cannot live among each other properly without obeying quite a lot of, and sometimes complicated, rules - traffic rules are part of these - and they do reprimand people who, for any reason, fail to obey these rules.As I said, it all boils down to education: educated people understand that there are things they don't (yet!) know about and are willing to learn it because knowledge is the most important value, especially in today's informational society. As for lamers, trying to educate them is a waste of resources; if they didn't learn to learn in the elementary school, it's already too late for you/me/us/anyone to show them how. Those who don't give a fuck about knowledge should not be given a fuck about either. [Edit] As for the "headmaster" reference, quite a good one! It's up to the teachers, the school board and/or the headmaster to throw out idiots from the school, in case they're slowing down the development of normal students. (Unless it's a special school for mentally retarded people.)
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