TonyG

[crispy]

Mailed to me by TonyG

I've reproduced it here as your email is as false as your knowledge about programming
Crispeater..


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just thought i reply personaly to your last post aimed at me, no doubt you will
disagree yet again (it seems to be your nature).
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last updated at 31-10-2001 03:35 (2 times)
Once more to the battlefield...
Check out the link and see how many burners are "only readable in recorder"
####://www.geocities.com/pcp-freak/4cdfreaks/SafeDisc2.html
??tg: i have heard this from alot of plextor owners although it doesnt make any
sense that this would be the case....

Secondly....

What Macrovision box?? Never seen one of those. No game uses a "windows internal
error".

??tg: the box that says "Please insert correct cd" + a windows interal error can
be expressed though an invalid page fault

What you see is a call for windows such as GetMessageBoxA with a string
contained therein, which is called from within the game executable itself. There
is no hard and fast rule here. Other SD2 titles don't give any error message at
al. Go and run Black and White without a cd in the draw, and you'll get dumped
to windows without any message. None at all. An error message box is not
indicative of any commercial protection mechanism, unless there is consistancy
from title to title.
??tg: which it often is...
Consistancy makes protection too easy to crack.
??True but macrovision still uses the same msg from sd1
Take Deus Ex for instance. No cd in the drive generates a error message box.
??tg: (which is rarely used elsewhere)
Does this mean this is protected by a commercial protection mechanism? No, 5
minutes in Win32Dasm and that "protection" is removed.
??tg: dont really care

You correctly point out that Ollie used the word "beast" in his original comment
on SD2 (posted at CdMediaworld). I apologise for using the same word, even
though I haven't read that piece for probably over 8 or 9 months since it was
first posted. But the fact is, my statement is true.

??tg: You want a fast rule? do what i do, hasnt failed yet so your statement is
false

And finally, your statement that
"if you have an acer or phillips chip set burner (like i do) then you can ALWAYS
backup sd2 protected games"
is again only half true. All Acer models produced in recent times can indeed
copy 1:1 SD2 titles. But less than half of Phillips burners can achieve this
feat.
####://www.elby.de/CloneCD/english/cdr_p.htm
??tg: No mate, you look at the updated clonecd site to see that almost all
modern phillips burners have been added

So if you don't like being corrected, mate, get your facts straight.
??tg: no mistakes (its you whose not speaking from experience)

By the way, I wouldn't be offended by anything you have or might post, as this
is not very important on the grand scheme of things, and just healthy debate.
??tg: (so be it, im happy you feel that way)

Date: 31-10-2001 on 03:30