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woooah ive been busy and testing a few things , like i said i had been copying these games which are cloned mohaa serious sam 2 sims on holiday and combat mission and renegade , i done them all on my plex 24x and tested them all in my liteon dvd and they all worked , but i then tried them in my plex cdrom and had problems , so i lowered read speed and burn speed and they work fine in my cdrom now , i read at 4x to image using fes and 3 retries and none for error correction , i burned to cd at 4x and using aws , the copy worked fine in my dvd drive and my cdrom , i started the game 6 times in each drive just to be sure , i done a copy at 12x and aws and it worked in my dvd but not cdrom , so i could not try 8x as my media only supports 1x 4x 12x 16x and so on . So i burned to a 10x cdrw at 10x and this worked fine in both drives so if i could get the right media i could burn at 8-10x sucessfully . This was done using clone cd v3,2,3.1 , i never used betablocker as i dont have it on my hd anyway , so i will try the other games and let you know if they are the same . If you have a 24x plex try it , if it works for me it should work for anyone else , im not doing anything special here merely reducing read and write speeds to get the right result .
Oh and im not using a cracvk , dooh , just because im a newbie it does not mean im new to cloning , if im asking a few questions its only because im unsure so feel free do help and stop doubting the plex .
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