i have since found out that there are some very bad cds out there and we possible have them there is corrupted data on them and patching tham is goingto be a bit tricky i was told to get a relacment cd as to using the path down load the first aid utility apply that to a clean instal of the game no patch and then apply the patch this will only work on a clen install my computer keeps getting hung up on uala readme file and the patch keeps crashing so im ####ed ray