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I am with patchy on this one, to be honest you cant blame his attitude after getting a crappy PM, especially a one liner basically saying "no, now p*** off".
Apache has done excellent trainers over the years, he knows his stuff. And ill always stand by if a trainer maker wants to sell trainers for hard work then let them do it, there will always be people who are happy to pay for them and people who arent nothing will change that.
But at least they dont rip off people's options.
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