[emulsoin]

I think bad/paradox is a very different kind of hacking group... they release patches and info and everything... i suppose in that way they are much different from kalisto... they try to come up with new meathods and stuff... i could be mistaken but i dont think kalisto really does that... what would be on their website? just nfos? plus they try to keep a lower profile... probly why they gave up on the dc scene, as kalisto at least... i kinda doubt sega actually paid them off