To make things clear: I am totally against people taking/stealing code (any kind) from other people. Files from people using stolen code will not be posted @ GCW
Until now I NEVER received ANY concrete proof from the people claiming that KelSat (and h4x0r for that matter) are/were "stealing" code from any available trainers. Just making accusations that someone is doing anything is NO PROOF AT ALL for me! Therefor the files from KelSat were posted (until now that is)
I have been contacted by 2 persons last November who were claiming that KelSat was "stealing" their code, but my first impression was that at least one of them was "protecting" his own interest (obviously, nothing wrong with it, if you are thinking commercially)
I have asked KelSat directly if he was taking code from any available trainer (including the CH ones) and he was quite convincing in telling me that he was not doing so. Who to believe. I know better now...
As for h4x0r, this is the first time that I am reading that he is also taking code from existing trainers but again no proof...
Here are the email communications:
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Sent: 10-11-2008
From: Chris/CH
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http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=312605
Some others that also realize KelSat is ripping off people’s trainers and submitting them as his own. ************* and a couple others have agreed to stop hosting his work. I wish you would consider the same.
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Sent: 13-11-2008
To: Chris/CH
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My first reaction was to leave it be as I did not think KelSat was doing this but now Psych email me with the same thing
I have confronted KelSat with the accusations and have received a few emails from him in which he states that he has never taken code from the CH trainers
The way he is writing I tend to believe him
Most likely you are seeing similar options on both your trainers but I doubt they use the same code!
So is it possible we are accusing someone over something that is not true?
Anyway if he is lying then he is good at it and I think he won't try it again...
But keep in mind that reverse-engineering code is not illegal, I do not know if actual code was used or just the options. If it is true it is an ethical issue
And getting ripped off is a fact of live, I have to live with rippers like ************* who was a mirror site of GCW until he decided to duplicate my work (file, html: colors, table-setup, even the font he is using is the same as mine...)
I have accepted this and do not ask others not to upload their files to him... or should I ?!? It's the same thing...
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Sent: 13-11-2008
From: Psych
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To whom it may concern, regarding gametrainers uploads.
Recently there has been several incidents of 'ripped' work, specifically
certain individuals taking it upon themselves to copy other
peoples' work and release it as their own. At present this issue, to my
knowledge, has only affected the work of CheatHappens.com, and I believe
they have already contacted you themselves about this issue.
However, we have reason to believe that it is not only their work which is
being affected, and its only a matter of time before we find out what other
work is being targetted. I can fully appreciate that it is impossible for
you to know this is going on, and you are only uploading submissions.
We can make a start however at preventing these incidents,
with your cooperation. The one individual we know about goes by the
name of 'Kelsat'. His releases always follow up to other major releases by
cheathappens within a day or so of them becoming available. We have both
analysed these trainers in detail and find them to be almost exact copies
of the work.
For now, it would be greatly appreciated if you could
remove all current submissions of Kelsat and prevent any
further additions from him. He is a ripper. Suppose these weren't just game
trainers that poke to memory, suppose they were software utilites.
Freeware or paid software it makes no different, its all the same principle. I
certainly wouldn't want to see these sorts of individuals get away with
this if they directed their attention to my own work. I can completely
understand the current predicament of cheathappens, and I concur with their
suggestion of contacting yourselves to request this.
Thanks for your time. Any consideration much appreciated!
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Sent: 13-11-2008
To: Psych
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I have received a few emails from KelSat in which he states that he has never taken code from the CH trainers
The way he is writing I tend to believe him
Most likely Chris is seeing similar options on both their trainers but I doubt they use the same code!
So is it possible we are accusing someone over something that is not true?
Anyway if he is lying then he is good at it
and I think he won't try it again...
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Sent: 13-11-2008
From: Chris/CH
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Ripped us again. Option for option down the exact byte. Not sure why you continue to take his side.
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Sent: 14-11-2008
From: KelSat
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I don't want the enemy. I just want to share my trainer with my skill.
Thought my skill of making trainer is not well, I can swear to god that I can make it by myself.
Like this Tomb Raider Trainer.
Why do I must copy code from CH if I have the ability?
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Sent: 14-11-2008
From: KelSat
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I can swear to god I don't copy the code from their trainer.
It's all my trainer By myself.
You can see the trainer of Tomb_Raider_Underworld_V1.0_Demo_Plus_9_Trainer_By _KelSat
and see this web site
http://www.cheathappens.com/show_bla...?titleID=13858
there is no trainer of this game in CH.
This can prove I can make the trainer by myself.
Maybe they think my trainer is cutting their client and income.
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Sent: 14-11-2008
From: KelSat
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Ok, let's see another trainer from
Dead Space - Mega Trainer (U.S./English)
Features: Unlimited Hull Integrity, No Turret Overheating, Unlimited Oxygen, Unlimited Health, Unlimited Ammo, Duplicate Inventory, Add Credits, Add Upgrade Nodes, Unlimited Stasis, Save/Load Position (Teleport).
and My Trainer:
Dead Space V1.0 Plus 10 Trainer By KelSat
Shift+G - Unlimited Life
Shift+H - Unlimited Ammo
Shift+T - Unlimited Stasis
Shift+Y - Unlimited Credits
Shift+N - Unlimited Nodes
Shift+V - Unlimited Items
Shift+K - One Hit Kill
Shift+O - Save Position
Shift+P - Teleport
Shift+U - Undo Teleport
Why do I have only copied some functions from ch if i copy the trainer?
and where is the function "one hit kill" in trainer of ch?
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As you can read they are just ACCUSATIONS and nothing more, no proof nothing...
Also some people think there is some exclusivity in the files posted @ GCW, I can tell you THERE IS NONE, all kinds of trainers will be posted I do not really care if it is professionally done or done my an amateur, even a +1 PROMO Trainer is a trainer for me! It has also nothing to do with quality over quantity as everything is posted... If a trainer works then great if it does not then so be it and try another trainer.
If people are thinking that a boycott (or any other crap) will make me think differently than think again, IT WILL NOT (don't make me laugh)
The only thing that will make me think differently is providing PROOF someone is stealing code
People like KelSat will always exist, if he stops releasing his trainer thru his own website then someone else will be doing so. IT IS A FACT OF LIFE, learn to live with it!
For now KelSat's trainers will not be posted anymore as he lied to me about stealing the code