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Originally Posted by rendari
True, but Starforce has changed all that. Its takwn months, maybe even years to learn how to generically crack.
Sure, there will always be people around to hack all this new ****... For now. If the FBI actually had a strong motive to catch warez useres, well... I doubt this board would be here, and the scene as active as it is.
Sure some of the guys have been around for 20 years on the net cracking their asses off, but they gotta retire some time, dont they? And what happens then?
Also, protections are getting better and better. Hell, the starforce people are lazy, but I bet they could easily add a couple of new features to their protection to make it hell to RE... as if it already isnt.
So many uknowns... I wouldnt even start these types of discussions. We cant predict anything. Whats there is there, use it. Learn. Dont rely on other people to do everything for you. Do it on your own.
For example: look at the D-tools people. I wouldnt be surprised if a millions people used their soft. What happens if they get sued? Oh no we're ****ed? Some other guys will come along, true, but how long will it take for them to get to the same level as D-tools? Or, will they be busted and hounded from Day 1??
We have no way to know. My philosophy is to appreciate things while you have them. I appreciate D-tools, I appreciate Softice, and all the other nice little things people have cooked up for us. If I want something, I make it instead of waiting for it. Sometimes I dont have the skills to make it. I then acquire them... and so on forever. People in my opinion should do that instead of whining for the next D-tools release of Reloadeds next Starforce crack, or when Fairlight is gonna retun to the scene... If you don't have time to learn... well thats too bad. But I've never not had time for anything. And, god willing, it shall stay this way.
I'm saying this vharshyde because I totally disagree with your viewpoint. One day, the flow will stop. Then its up to you if you want to continue an upstream battle or bail out.
Enough bull****. I have math homework to finish.
-rendari
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I wasn't going to reply to this BUT i am bored, Daemon tools can't be sued since they aren't based in the usa ( I think germany if i recall right ) and they are doing nothing wrong to be sued for d-tools has MANY legit uses.
Thats like saying rarlabs can be sued since most illegal softs are distributed in that format, OR gamecopyworld/cdmediaworld/fileforums/megagames could be sued for hosting cracked / disasembled / rev engineered exe's ..etc as long as there serves a legal and legit use there shouldn't be any sue'ing going on
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On to the starforce protection
I don't like it but i do support it in a way since it does its job really good looking at the numbers (don't ask where) it severly cut back on pirate copys sure some people can get them to work still using really inconvenient methods but the average pc user this can turn into a catastorphy and they end up buying the game! (woohoo)..
The downside is as some people said making personal backups and drivers that get installed / compatability
so i am for it since it boosts their sales and now maybe they can start making quality games again while saving the pc gaming industry (consoles are about to completely take over pc gaming) i think the pirate scene has gotten waaaay out of hand and i think even the pirate groups realize it
people complain about the protections but in reality if people didn't steal games it wouldnt have gone this far
who knows maybe next will be something like the riaa called the spaa ( i wouldnt support anything like that since most of the time the information they collect is inaccurate and sue the wrong person)& all internet privacy gone policed and moderated, Im sure it will happen sooner or later but for now I personally would rather have starforce