I've had several local people (at a local computer repair shop) tell me that AnyDVD should work as well. I must be doing something wrong. I can't get it to work for me. My apologies to igotta****666 for thinking you were just stoned--experts agree with you! I will give it a try again.
Phil
P.S. Is the 21 day trial version of AnyDVD the updated version--I had already tried that, and I can't seem to get it to work.