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[QUOTE=SuspiciousJedi]It does not but you can't have another disk except the game disk in the drive while you play, or can you?

>> nope, but if the game wants you to have the cd/dvd in the drive then you have little or no choice do you, if you want to play it legally

I was not asking how to play a game, I was asking what should I do if I am a developer? How to debug when those drivers that block debuggers are installed? I am wondering are you using your reading abilities at all?

>> debugging those drivers would infringe the 'no reversing' poilicy in the eula wouldnt it, which would be illegal, however if you were a decent developer then you would know how to hide your debugger from the detections used and then debug it if you wanted to

You do not understand this obviously. Since the Starforce is comprised of not less than 4 kernel drivers they can send packets directly without those ever being seen by firewall or network analysis programs. What is even worse, hardware firewalls included in routers are not designed to prevent outgoing communication so they cannot stop Starforce from sending date without you knowing it either.

i am VERY framiliar with starforce and its drivers, NONE of those drivers have inet functionality and they can NOT send stuff out without accessing the network drivers, which should in turn be linked to the firewall (software), it just cant magically make a packet and send it, it has to interface to the ndis driver layer at the very least

i agree with your view though about the stability of your computer being hindered by the starforce 'layer', and yes starforce use some 'non standard' methods of hooking system api's, whats worse is that the last time i checked these hooks were global and not process based which can definately lead to some 'issues', regarding the whql issue, i think the whql is optional and you have to pay for it, and chances are the starforce people know it will fail on some tests, so paying for the whql is pointless from their view