@Sped - When I say a clone of ownz I don't mean by one specific chip I mean by one technique. I remember dust2dust and charlie making a post which reviewed each technique and said the pros and cons of each. This gave people a real insite into the differences of each rather than getting the same answer (That's crap swapcrap **** will kill your ps2 etc etc) - Generally posted by people who've never used them.
As I said i'm not pro swap magic and am a retired installer myself

but my view on the forum still stands, New member joins forum and doesn't even know what a modchip is, 2 weeks later they're following suit saying everything else is crap when they've not even had theirs done!....a main reason why I hardly post nowadays.
On another note it's good to see an old timer like yourself still here! I've seen you help a number of people on various different levels and it's appreciated!
@Tyler,
Whooa easy tiger. My post never meant to offend anyone and to be honest as an old timer yourself can you not see what i'm trying to get at?