Iv only got a +R burner and it has worked fine in the past. I write the backups at x4. So i think everything should be ok in that part of making the backup. Does anyone know if there is any patch files or files on the game that I should be missing out when i burn them? I thought it might of been my laser been dirty so i got a cleaning kit and cleaned it, and they still dont boot, but all the others i have done before still do. I have also tried backing up Uefa Euro 2004 and this loads past the first uefa logo screen and then freezes on the black loading screen. This has got me confused. I seem to be having trouble with the newer releases as a pose to the older ones, should i be doing something different? Thanks again for all help so far guys !