well i read through all of it and though it was a great post, i had a similar expierence, my dad always though games were a waste of time although he recognised some of them as a piece of art, so i thouhg id get him into it, so he loves hes weakest link, university challenge and who wants to be a millionair so i bough him the last one for his bday pressie, and hey he got hooked and then he saw me play mafia and he got tottally hooked as hes a 1930s1940s replica car collector, so eventually he wanted me to finish the game so he could drive any car through the city without complications, so yeah