o i did it under ebay i ask the guy to buy it now offer and he said he would end auction and sell to me which he did but i never bidded so we just payed through paypal pep to pep but i figerd it would be safe sence paying through pp but i guess not and the gayest part is they stop the case in 4 days i had peps file complaints on me which i had recipts to and i got a frozze paypal accout i been reading alot of bad things about paypal on paypalsucks.com so i guess escrow is the only ture safe way of paying only thing not many use it