S.T.A.L.K.E.R 1.0004 trainer
 

anyone who has a working trainer for S.T.A.L.K.E.R v1.0004

the link on gamecopyworld for a 4+ trainer is dead

i probably like the one on cheathappens, but i'll never pay for something like a trainer.

And you wont get it here either until it goes public.

But then people like you wont pay for anyones hard work would you.

The original poster didn't insult the site, the trainer or the policy of having to pay for the full releases. Therefore, I don't think there's any problem with him expressing his right NOT to like to pay for trainers. Yes, I prefer free software, too (both getting and releasing).

thats not true..

running @ a legally owned Windows Vista ultimate & Office 2007 enterprise edition

so yeah i buy software but asking money for a trainer is just a lame action and absolutely NOT done imho

Why not, so people like me just have to sit and go through sometimes hours of code just to get your precious god mode.

Well you best get used to the fact trainer makers are requiring money these days, as they are the most unappreciated people on the net, hardly any thanks and huge criticism because a trainer doesnt have this or that option/s.

I know a few of the best of the biz out there who are now doing it for money, simple reason it puts food on the table and pays bills.

But then again if you dont think its on, you can always learn to do your own, at least I gave tuts for free to learn basic stuff that should get you by. So you cant complain at that.

EDIT: At no time did I say you were using warez versions of anything. So dont bring that excuse into the thread. I was talking about paying for someones hard work, not software.

He did hint on his last sentence Joe have a re-read.

first of all, thanks dab for your kind comments. thank god there are some people out there who have experienced the (sometimes) hell while going through the game code and reversing out all these options we add to the trainers for these games. and the games are getting worse and worse.... some don't let you attach a debugger to them, others crash when breakpointing, and some games in vista detect any changes to the code while running and then crash out.... finding ways around the protection has become a secondary battle in and of itself...

at any rate, we post this info in many areas but here's something to consider:

I don't think that people realize the time, effort and money that goes into making these trainers for virtually every game that comes out, and then updating those trainers multiple times when new patches are published.

1. We must buy the game on the release date. Sometimes this might involve buying multiple copies from different sources (ie: Steam, D2D) for bigger titles. If we don't have the game, we can't make the trainer...

2. We must play the game through to determine what options to include in the trainer.

3. The game must be debugged so that the options can be traced. Doing this around major copy protection can be very difficult and time consuming in some cases.

4. The options must be play-tested to make sure they work properly and for the player only (not the enemy or AI). This must often be done on multiple systems with multiple operating systems (Vista, XP, DX9, DX10, etc).

5. The trainer must be packaged and published, often with built-in links to help and troubleshooting guides, with ReadMe.txt attached for quick help, etc.

6. The programmer must be paid for his services.

We ask for a small membership fee to help cover the time and expenses involved in these processes, and only for a short time until the trainer is released to the public. Please show us this courtesy. If you like the trainers and would like to see more made in the future, help support the site and become a member. Otherwise, please wait patiently for the trainer(s) to become available on the public release date.

Thanks to everyone that helps to support our website. We all appreciate it.

Best,
Caliber

www.cheathappens.com

Well, you see, this site is based on cracks.

Cracker groups do buy the games they crack (as, obviously, at that point, there's no crack that would allow them to play with the original, right?), and they spend much more time with cracking the game and testing the crack than trainer groups do during the development of a trainer. And they do it for free - at least, for us, it is available without payment. (As there's no such thing as "free" in today's world.)

(As another example, mind you, whole operating systems can be downloaded for free. Of course, these now have significant value in the global economy so they cannot really be compared to "only" trainers...)

So, I beg to differ: software does not NEED to be paid for. As anyone has the right to ask for money for his software, anyone has the right to prefer free software. I understand that the opinion of the second group hurts the feelings of the first group but, well, that's life!

Respect others' opinions, though... "asking money for a trainer is just a lame action" does not show respect so don't write things like this if you want your own opinion to be accepted. Thank you!

cracking the games protections and removing it totally are two different animals but both are necessary in many cases to make trainers or crack a game .exe. don't minimize the time necessary for making a trainer! it isn't always just NOP two bytes address, etc. alas, i don' t want to get into a back and forth with you here joe, because i value the file forums. but yes, people will always go for free if they have the choice between paying or not! i agree with you there 100%!

we disagree and look at things differently and have different feelings on what file forums/ gamecopyworld is about but i do respect your opinion, joe. feelings are not hurt! i was jusk asking for the person to consider all the steps, etc. involved. i too have put tutorials out to help newbs to make get into reversing games, etc. so that people can at least get a taste of what we do. the effort and knowledge required to release cracked .exe's, .dll's, etc. is no joke either and i respect that efforts those individuals put into it. it would be rather difficult for razor or fairlight to start selling these over the net, though, would it not, since it removes completely and permanently the protections that were put into the games by the game publishers? but i admit that it requires effort, knowledge, and money to make these cracked .exe's and often thankless work with not much in return.

thanks for the interesting discussion!

best,
Cal

Cracked game and original game have identical characteristics. Unless we're talking about 2 different versions of the same game...

what are you talking about? this makes no sense at all-

not totally true, some groups get the file given to them from other sources, those sources may have paid for the games sure... but then that leads to the other question... if the cracker groups do buy the game, is the money from their own personal salaries from their job etc..?... unfortunately 9/10 times the answer is no.. their money for the game payment comes from their 'not very nice' private(ish) scene activities.. selling leech slots and such...

The scene is a murky place, scratch the surface and all the skeletons come floating to the top...

Shhhh not the skeletons!

Funds -0
 

In some trainers there is an option - "Reduce money funds to 0 - (needed in some parts of the game)". In which parts of the game is that useful and why?

Errr read the .nfo file and it might tell you.

@Caliber: Some people claim that a trainer made for the ORIGINAL version of the game (original SecuROM or w.e. executable) won't work with a cracked .exe :D I know it sounds retarded - was trying to clarify the issue.

If you wanted to be a gamer all your life, you would've bought games due to liking the brand and wanting more entertainment. Once you hop over to coding/programming/memory raping, it's all over (well, you got Adventure games left; oh, and online games) :D

Trainer for 1.0004
 

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Aren't you supposed to NOT re-distribute trainers downloaded from www.cheathappens.com?!

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If its not public then remove the link....

We dont support thieves here.

@0rth0doX

Do NOT post any Cheathappens trainers until after the Public Release dates!

Lol. He posted a premium trainer? OMG, HANG HIM <- sarcasm...

STALKER has several endings (7 if I'm not mistaking) among which one of them is judged based on the amount of money you have...

I can now see why Sheep doesnt like you much.

... and those are all false endings. Hint: Your adventure is not supposed to end at the Wish Granter. (Damn, those calls made the hair stand on my back; the greatest atmosphere in a shooter for the last few years - at least, for me... :))

Same here, Joe. Same here ;) Loved it and finished it twice for the sake of finding those damned rare weapons.

@DABhand: Sure you do ;) People work on something, they waste time and effort, then they sell it. Their choice. Say I am spending 20$ on premium and (since it's my SPENT money) I decide to share it with the world. Any objections? Also, no one has to impose how the "scene" works. So - if you plan on making a trainer - don't brag you got the rarest, most unique options. We already see it and judge it, plus where's the fun in playing the damn game? :D To be honest, I like simple trainers that give you enough to enjoy what you're playing. Again, that's debatable...

that's just moronic. try that with your cd's and dvd's that you paid 20 dollars for..... i suppose you would call the artists who made that work wasted time and effort there too? at any rate, you spent 20 bucks on that cd or dvd but it is most definitely illegal to share it with others (i.e make copies for others to have). no matter how you slice it, the members agreed to the terms on the website and the material is not to be shared, period. obviously warner brothers can't go after every immoral person that copies their movies and cd's, just as we cannot chase every person down that does this with our work. any objections? certainly! imagine if you wrote a book and somebody copied and sold it themselves or "shared" it with the world so that you could not get fairly compensated for your effort.

blah, i am preaching to the devil's choir here.... some souls can never be reached-

best,
Cal

Haha. The horror... Well, moronic or not, we all know how hypocrisy works. Same people that speak so boldly about paying money for the games are the same ones downloading them illegally from Internet (maybe you don't download everything, but you sure do). What for? Let's call it the need to be ahead of others. Want to be the first(?), download the game, train it, then brag how mighty you are - hey, you released a trainer before the game got out for sale. Then come to some random forums and preach how immoral it is to even think at the idea of sharing bought content :D

Why do I always have the feeling I'm watched like a "traitor"? People need to stop being so paranoid. This is discussed everywhere - so why does it always have to light a fire wherever it's debated?

The solution - if you care about people leaking content, why not take all the necessary measures to prevent it (web-based logging services work wonders). Think at CheatHappens, they have a site, they got room for a database. Sell the trainer with a personalized ID, which the buyer needs using only once - when he starts the trainer the first time. That way no one can use it without knowing the details. Say that also gets leaked, and people get to use those details (user name, serial etc...). Next step, hardware ID. All ends...

But no, everyone wants it so simple. Besides, trainer gets public within 2 weeks or 1 month (regarding CH). What I love the most is the approach gamehacking.co.uk took - sure, we give you trainers with limited options. You want the full package(?), get premium ;) Smart way to deal with it I might add. Again, not so secure, but yeah - that's what we got forums for - trainer makers come cry some idiot stole their work and is now using it to get (WHAT?) virtual fame. Heh, as you said, Cal - preaching to devil's choir...

Ta ta...

Your contridicting yourself, as said you buy copyrighted work its not upto you to share it. Period. No matter how many ideas you may think up to combat it.

Sure I am. From where you're standing, it's a matter of choice - should I join the few and smart or the many and dumb? Guess you know the answer. Trainer makers rely on people's lack of knowledge to sell their stuff. As long as you remain a gamer and don't whine, it's all good. They're happy. Once someone starts tampering with their work (e.g.: take the bioshock trainer, run it and save gc.dll; open it in IDA and make an asm of it - you got an engine...), they start bitching. Knowledge to code a trainer, knowledge to use a trainer, knowledge to reverse it through own means...

P.S.: Someone is going to cast spells on me when reading this post. Anyway, sorry for the long off-topic. I'll stick to S.T.A.L.K.E.R. from now on ;)

Tell you what you go work, and then ill syphon your bank account while you do so. Since its only a small group and smart enough to do that. But you wont complain that I do that?

Your view is limited on this.

Now if its a public trainer, and you reversed it to update it with a game update its not so bad. Annoying yes as you didnt spend much time as the original author. But at least you didnt take anything away from the person.

Now a trainer that requires a subscription, reversing and releasing under your name is bad. Then you have people who get it and just release it without reversing is equally bad. Ultimately you are snatching potential money from them.

So why shouldnt someone who has sat through tonnes of anti-debugging code,DMA etc be able to earn from their hardwork. Its not easy especially with the newer games that come out.

Now I know its you Sunbeam, there is no denying that, but you know the people who are involved with training games, most of which would hate people stealing the code injections etc they have took time to do. Sure we all have fights among us from time to time and dont agree with each other, but how many actually go out and do that to others they know.

I cant imagine Poizn going out nicking Whitey's coding, its just not on, also I cant imagine Poizn going out and distributing a trainer Whitey did that requires a sub. Again its just not on. All that would achieve is Poizn alienating himself from the community. And yes im sure it has happened in the past between groups, but not by very much, hardly infact.

And with your views and ideas that its fine to do all this, you will alienate yourself and any sites you hang about on.

And also be careful with the accusation of software theft you did earlier in the thread. You really dont know a person to make that comment. At this moment I view Caliber as a more reliable and trustworthy person than yourself, and would be pleased to call him a friend. To not know him, or him say he downloads games at all, its a bit of a nerve to say he does. Are you going to suggest I do the same.

I mean I own my own biz I get software cheap through wholesalers.

Anyways im miffed now, im gonna go watch TV or something.

All I'm curious on is when did I became a "thief"? When I made that tutorial on how to update trainers? That's what's puzzling me. Was enough to show people how to do it, I immediately became the black sheep of all times related to this field of "activity". Also, what happens when you train a game on your own and stumble across the same code someone else has? Sure, your approach will differ, but would the other person be willing to test all your code before yelling you stole his shit? Of course not - they never read between the lines.

As for people downloading and me accusing, am not wrong at all. You may own your business, but you can't put your hand on your heart and affirm you've never downloaded a game either to play or train it...

P.S.: I am making my own stuff, and unlike others, I post it wide open in public so others can learn from it. Call me dumb for not making profit from it, it's just how I am. I never made any money out of selling my work. It surely isn't a tutorial, but that's what forums are good for - posting feedback and what you didn't understand from the post. I consider it moronic to debate on proving myself capable of doing all I "rant", since no matter what I'd do, I would be seen with the same eyes by some people. Talk about holding grudges. Related to coding, I've done that too, probably just to fend off the drive someone's gotten into me, but mostly because I needed it. No matter what language or scripting language a trainer is coded/written in, it's a trainer. Not being coded in a programming language and being called a noob for it is just a freaking trifle (whim - English is not my main language, so...)

Also, I never denied it's me, DAB ;) You just didn't read between the lines. Wrote 2 or 3 times it's me :D

@Synaesthesia: You can find a small explanation about our (lack of) hypocrisy in the forum FAQ; I suggest you read it.

We don't (and can't) care if you obtain illegal stuff (re-distributing software against its license is illegal, there's no point in arguing about it), just don't discuss it on this forum. And, especially not in front of the very people who wrote that stuff.

Yes, I also prefer free software and, yes, I also give away my software for free. But that's beside the point: others have the right to not to do so, sell their software instead, and the best I can do is either buy it or ignore it. There are, of course, other possibilities but... again, see the hypocrisy explanation. And, yes, the whole world is much more complicated than discussing legally (?) obtained software on a forum but, well, this forum is not supposed to solve all the problems of the world either.

I see this is also beginning to sound like a rant so I'll stop now... :) Please, drop the topic; while you may be right on some issues, these are not the issues we deal with on this forum. Thanks!

you know (and its not directed at you dab, just you raised it), i really cant figure out what this whole big deal about DMA from trainer makers is all about, DMA is hardly revolutionary, hell, the protections did it, and even then it wasnt too difficult, just a bpm, back trace, find storage area, figure struct... or is this just some thing trainer makers can try and claim as something difficult?.. when the crackers have been doing it for ages.....

so theres only 2 types of reversers -> either a cracker (and a trainer) or a failed cracker who becomes a trainer :)

couple things and then this is my last post.

1) i could care less if you take my trainer and pick it apart. maybe you will learn something. maybe you notice something we did that could be improved! at any rate, just don't post it on another website or torrent like you said you wouldn't when you signed up on the website. simple---

2) we have already implemented a tracing funtion in our trainers as of the last two weeks which has encrypted information in redundancy so that we can trace members who post improperly. members will be booted from the site with no refund if we find out work posted elsewhere. it isn't fair for the other paying members to get shafted by the bad members who post our work without our consent.... this doesn't mean that it won't happen, just that we are working to stop it.

3) how do you know where we get our games from? we have access to games and betas, demos, etc. because of who we are. our bioshock trainer came out before you could even get it on steam... and as you know, since you tell us you download illegally, there were no "cracked" versions of the game available for a week. how did that happen? elves and magic?

4) i never cracked a game in my life and released it to the public. i just make trainers, and sometimes have to deal with the protections that are in the game so i can train it. not sure how i fit into tippex's view of reversers... LOL!

blah-

i am not as annoyed by you sunbeam as some of the others are, but please don't make an enemy here where there wasn't one-

ok flame away!

-Cal

no.. realy, why just make a forum on "why should i pay for a trainer", you know, for those how have mumy or the governement to pay everything for them so they will have a place to b1tch about how bad capitalism is. It is like we discusse about that more than training and coding itself :p .

No realy; if someone cant finish that game, why dont they get a job or something?

Caliber:
I have a little tiny bit favor to ask. i'v been posting quality +1 trainers for c&c3 for a while for everyone to enjoy but i cant find the health in c&c3. Can you give me just a little tinny winni hint.. i tried every thing; change, unchanged, decrease, increased.. in all type.. . I dont want you code or the cave code or anything like that but just a little little hint to help me to find that HP. I promess that i will credit you and you site on my next update.

even if you find the bits of code that control the health, there are at least 4 areas that call the function i used to manipulate the health. so you would have to trace the calls and see which ones are useful (i.e. which one is calling when you mouse over the unit (i.e. the health bar gets drawn), etc. it's quite a chore and i don't know you so i have no idea your ability and it would take quite some time to go over this.

i think the values where float, if i remember. also the game is a bit squirrely with troops since it lists a health for all troops but in fact each troop has it's own health amount so it's best to trace with a vehicle, not a troop. PM me about this and maybe we can talk more about it.

my plasma force health option is another discussion entirely as it took quite a while to trace that code down....

best,
Cal

whoa, that's a lot of informations, well, thanx a lot. If i manage to do a +2 trainer with unlimited hp, i will certainly credit you. Thank you again.

Was just going through a list of what a trainer maker has to go through sometimes, DMA came from the top of my head, I could have easily said code shifting also.

Great Debate!, well at least so far
lol TippeX ..failed cracker..trainer...huh ..made me smile actually.
opinions..wow quite a few you guys seem to forget, when you sub for trainers your not just subbing for one file , you have a vast , vast! i say :) database of trainers cheats and a whole shaboodle of experiance to draw from, so the next time you see a super-duper trainer thats only available as premium content ..dont be so near sighted , think ahead ..you will have todays..tomorrows next weeks nexts months ..yesterdays last months ..last years the year before that ... totally 100% on the right spot the real mcoy dudes that can more than likely answer your question within a very short period of time with help when you have fucked up something..no need to wonder if that motherfucker who leaked a trainer has also added a few bad things to the files before they stick it it a forum link or rapidshare or whatever..because your in good hands and dealing with professional programers which are part of established sites who have your benefit first and foremost in their thoughts





on a second note hi everyone :p have fun, chat next time

dma has nothing to do with training games, if you train a game properly you never come across it, no trainer maker has ever said "SHIT THAT DMA WAS HARD TO GET AROUND" thats what idiots say BEFORE they know what it is, its as simple as that.