The Secret of the Lost Cavern - Completely new copy-protection
 

The new adventure game
ECHO - The Secret of the Lost cavern
seems to have a completely new copy protection, no backup is possible.
The protection seems to have a lot of similarities to starforce 3, but it isn't starforce.
The newest versions of Aray and Protection ID don't detect anything.

Does anybody know more about this?

probably new Tages version.

IT is TAGES, DEVIANCE fixe (8/11/05) does not work
 

yes new version of TAGES.
The deviance files are a big load of **** (as often!!), just demo files. You
can play 'till 2. cavern then it jumps to intro back... :mad:

Searched all the web:
french tit: Au coeur de lascaux
germ tit: Geheimniss der vergessenen Höhle

no working fixe so far, always demo stuff
if you want to go over 2. cavern, patch this:
...
0041F2E9 1BC0 sbb eax, eax
0041F2EB 83D8FF sbb eax, FFFFFFFF
0041F2EE 85C0 test eax, eax
0041F2F0 7519 jne 0041F30B <<<<<<<<<<< 90 90
0041F2F2 8B54241C mov edx, dword ptr [esp+1C]
...
But interface does not work correctly, whenever you have to use
object A with object B it does not work (light torche with torche,
play musical stones with hammer etc.).
Patch LUA-script and you can come across this ****. :cool:

Change the 75 to EB

cyrillic? http://www.fileforums.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Don't nope , just jump.... :rolleyes:

but this works?
if works, how i can use this?

ty

What he's saying, is to open up the game exe in a hex editor, and go to address 0041F2F0 . There change the 75 to a EB, which I think means to skip that instruction, and disable copy protection. (It's a long time scince I played in hex editors :P)

-Leezer-

By the way, the first patch (change 75-19 to 90-90) always SKIPS the jump, while the second patch (change 75-19 to EB-19) always TAKES the jump. One of them may work, but not both.

SOLC, 2nd advice
 

sorry guys, thought this was an expert forum, forgot that there are newbies. :confused:

Just to remember the problem: SOLC.EXE from deviance does not work, my hint was to pass the 2. cave where it normally jumps back to intro. The fixe
certainly removes the jump i.e. JUMP NEVER.
90 90 means NOP NOP so the jump is never performed.
...
0041F2F0 7519 jne 0041F30B :p
0041F2F2 8B54241C mov edx, dword ptr [esp+1C]
0041F2F6 8B442418 mov eax, dword ptr [esp+18]
0041F2FA 52 push edx
0041F2FB 50 push eax
0041F2FC 55 push ebp
0041F2FD 8BCF mov ecx, edi
0041F2FF E81CB80F00 call 0051AB20
0041F304 5F pop edi
0041F305 5E pop esi
0041F306 5D pop ebp
0041F307 5B pop ebx
0041F308 C20C00 ret 000C
; code to play Intro again, what we don't want!!!!
0041F30B E890E30900 call 004BD6A0
0041F310 68A8869400 push 009486A8
0041F315 E846950900 call 004B8860
0041F31A 68B4259B00 push 009B25B4
0041F31F 68A0869400 push 009486A0
0041F324 68B8869400 push 009486B8
0041F329 689C869400 push 0094869C
0041F32E E8FD950900 call 004B8930
0041F333 83C414 add esp, 00000014
0041F336 5F pop edi
0041F337 5E pop esi
0041F338 5D pop ebp
0041F339 5B pop ebx
0041F33A C20C00 ret 000C
...
as you see at 0041f30b there is the code to play intro,
which we don't want, so the cond. jump must be removed,
which is done bei 90 90
Forget the nonsens with EB 19 :eek:
Next, 0041f2f0 is not a file offset but RVA, which means a memory
address, the file offset to modify in a hex-editor is 00124656 .

Ok, this is NO crack - it is just a mod to get out of cavern 2 (after
making fire) and you can play a little bit more. Crack TAGES is far
more complex, nothin' for common people out there or this forum...

It is no patch to play the game to the end, for this you must patch
the script-file, but this is a little bit more complex to tell here.
I posted the savegames to gcw, maybe this helps some of you. :cool:

WTF

JNE = Jump Never????


JNE actually is Jump Not Equal

Bloody hell

Oh Lord, give 'em brain and confidence
 

when a command (here a conditional jump) is removed by the two
assembly commands NOP and NOP (coded bei 90 90) the jump (or
whatever f.u.c.k.i.n.g. command) is eliminated and therefore can
never be performed. It is gone, killed, blown to eternity - got it??

If you ever looked to the code you come to know that we are
here at a script-interpreter, when the command
"CS" is found then the next step within the game is done,
i.e. change position of game character. In cavern2 we have
not the command CS (guess it means "continue script") but
there is the control-word "montagne" (which stands for next/
2. Level) and therefore it jumps to the intro.
This is normally in the demo-version the sign to end up (because
there is no 2. level!!) and go to the beginning, because demo has
ended here. But we have the full version from deviance with
f.u.c.k.i.n.g. demo-EXE, so we must pass this sign
- that's done here.
No more comment on this, I'm not your nanny...
Just do it and you will see that it works!

1. Nice to see you admitted your a warez user. Full version of deviance release.

2. Your talking to me as if I dont know ASM, check the coders section before you get banned, look for all posts from begining notice something? Thats right I was teaching people some ASM and how to code inject.

3. I do trainers, maybe you havent seen my work.

4. Learn to know what your talking about. Dont make me write out an explaination on how Flags work for jumps. As ive already did so in the coding section for day 3 of the tut.

eye2eye, please, don't mind newbies and DABhand's bitching, keep posting interesting articles like this for the technically minded forum members! :)

Joe shhhhhhh, dont put me in the same category of newbies. As ive said before, you have knowledge, but I dont mean to come out and say this, your not on the same level as me. Again your post could be intepreted as a flame towards me and as you know against forum rules.

Anyways he wont be here much longer after admiting to using a deviance rls of the game.

I dont have this game so therefore I have had no reason to download the crack but I just presumed he meant he has the Deviance so called 'Full Version Crack' but the exe in the crack is from the 'demo'??

@Dabhand
But you came out and said it anyway? I also know you are very knowledgable but I dont know why you intentionally try to elevate yourself to a so called higher position than others? You seem smarter than that? I am not trying to flame you Dab I just cant understand your motives or answers sometimes? :confused:

Yeah, I'm not on the same level as DABhand. I already found the "Ignore List" feature of this forum a few months ago and not having to read his posts - except when quoted in a reply, that is - definitely saves me a lot of time and annoyance. It is nice to see, though, that he still keeps assuming things without even trying to find proofs for.

Hi! eye2eye, could you explain as modifying the script-file? please, I would like to learn more.. hehe

Thanx

Its the fact that Joe again decides to attack me on the forum, when I havent even talked to him in a long time. That annoys me.

He can have me on the ignore list all he wants. But if he decides to flame me again out the of the blue I wont be happy about it.

Its an old saying grumpy, "I dont mean to say it" something like "I didnt want to say it but I told you so" the same idea.

Forgot to say about this. If he had the "full version" crack and was a demo, why did he say Full Version, and not just demo exe.

Temperature is getting too high, cool down...
 

Ok Kids,
calm down or as we say in germany 'keep your balls on the ground' ;).
Seems that emotions boiling here a little bit too high.
Nobody wants to harm anybody.
If I did so, I throw my body on the ground, on my knees
I lick your shoes, I pray for pardon, forgive a dishonorable
and unworthy servant.
And last but not least, nobody among us has time to waste with
such a s.h.i.t. discussion. All we want - is a tech-talk
about a not working program.
Nobody talks here about C.R.A.C.K.S. or W.A.R.E.Z., we all
have the concerning program legally bought.
But we all have the problem that our dogs have eaten
the 2nd disc and now we have dl some files from somewhere
and want them working.
Agreed?

First step was done, now we want to talk about the
remaining probs.
The interface problems:
a) Painted stone in inventory is not usable
b) Objects are not usable among each other, so
second torche can't be lit with one, no melody
can be played with musical stones and hammer, fresquos
could not be finished or painted

My approach was to modify the action-script. But that's
a cheap trick not worthy among experts like we are.

Did anybody out there looked in the code and found
a correspondig offset for this? :confused:

:mad: I'm in fact blocked there!! :rolleyes: there is not solution?

Yes for sure...
 

but that is not our goal, we want a fully functional prog (I guess I give up trying to make a serious discussion here, shaking head)... :confused:

For all script kiddies:
- play 'til the bison-puzzle, the one after talking and eating with the man at the fire (big fresquo with bull on the rock)
- in front of the puzzle, do NOT click on the fresquo, but make a savegame
- leave program
- goto to <gamedir>\datas\cd1
- open file "cmn_cmn.bf" (the one with 26mb) in hex-editor
- when you have the CD1, there is no need to make file-backup, otherwise
make one
- search for the string: >>WARP_1 script file for level "PRJ\riviere.lvl"<<
(the complete string between >>..<<)
- you'll find the following:
...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- WARP_1 script file for level "PRJ\riviere.lvl", decor "Riviere", stage "Warp_1"
-- Generated by Level Editor on 07/09/2004 09:06:41
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WARP_1=
{ --Init function
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Initialize = function()

InitRiviere( WARP_1.this )
WARP_1.evt = 0

if ( eMastermind==1 )
then
SetNotifyZone("ZoneBisons", 0)

if ( bAbriDecouvertB==0 )
then
SetNotifyZone("ZoneSignes", 1)
else
SetNotifyZone("ZoneSignes", 0)
end
else
SetNotifyZone("ZoneBisons", 1)
SetNotifyZone("ZoneSignes", 0)
end

WARP_1.InterfaceMusicaleOff()

eMastermindHit = {}
eMastermindHit[1] = 0
eMastermindHit[2] = 0
eMastermindHit[3] = 0
eMastermindHit[4] = 0
eMastermindState = 0

WARP_1.MastermindReset()

if ( ePierreMusicale5==1 )
then
-- Basedoc
EnableNewCards( {56}, 56, 1 )
--
end
end,

--UnInit function
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
UnInitialize = function ()
...
- change the following (just overwrite the bytes, do not shift or hazzle any bytes):
1.)
WARP_1.evt = 0
to
WARP_1.evt = 6

2.)
eMastermindHit = {}
eMastermindHit[1] = 0
eMastermindHit[2] = 0
eMastermindHit[3] = 0
eMastermindHit[4] = 0
eMastermindState = 0
to
eMastermind = 1 --}
eMastermindHit[1] = 5
eMastermindHit[2] = 3
eMastermindHit[3] = 6
eMastermindHit[4] = 2
eMastermindState = 4

3.)
WARP_1.MastermindReset()
to
ePierreMusicale5 = 1 --)

- save this, exit hex-ed.
- start game
- load savegame with bison puzzle
- look at fresquo, click on it (arok speaks...)
- go left
- look at the 2nd fresquo (arok speaks again)
- yippeeyeah, the entrance to the dwelling is open :p
- directly besides the river
- make new savegame
- leave game
- change "cmn_cmn.bf" with original one from cd or backup
- start again
- load last savegame and play on...
thats it!

dont ask for further script-patches, I hate this s.h.i.t. :mad:

I think you should read the BOARD RULES (again) !!!
[Particularly board rule #3]

i think it's time to close this, i'll leave it up to you glh since you gave the warning.

Just before this gets closed :)

@Dabhand
After reading this again, I am inclined to agree with you. I now believe he is saying he has the Full Deviance Version of the game but that Full Deviance Version only has the 'Demo' exe on it! He is saying the game does not have the proper full version exe included. :D
Sometime the way people write things it is hard to pick up exactly what they mean. Maybe they write this way on purpose? :)

Ok, now this thread can be closed! ;)

Yeah Grumpy says thread has to be closed now :P

eye2eye, Work!!

Thanx!! ;) ;)

echo
 

hi! ;)
maybe u can help me
http://www.fileforums.com/showthread...1&page=2&pp=15

what hex editor u used?


thnx

This... or this...

This program allows to edit files of huge size.

thx.
THREAD CLOSED !!!