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alexzzz 08-03-2004 02:06

Against Rome & Gangland Crack ???
 
Hello everybody. I'm looking for Against Rome & Gangland Cracks. I can't find them in "gamecopyworld" or "megagames" and the "gamefix" site isn't working. Can anybody help me please ???

:confused: :confused: :confused:

GLH 08-03-2004 03:34

The GAMEFIX site is here: http://gf.wiretarget.com and is working ok.

t.foster73 08-03-2004 04:28

Gangland uses Starforce3, and a particularly nasty incarnation of it at that! There may be a NOCD in the future (Like Trackmania), but that will only work once you have installed the game from the original CD. I can't ever see a crack coming that will let you make a backup of the game to install without the original. Looks like the Hackers have finally been defeated.

TippeX 08-03-2004 05:39

Quote:

Originally posted by t.foster73
Gangland uses Starforce3, and a particularly nasty incarnation of it at that! There may be a NOCD in the future (Like Trackmania), but that will only work once you have installed the game from the original CD. I can't ever see a crack coming that will let you make a backup of the game to install without the original. Looks like the Hackers have finally been defeated.
you really should stop making statements that you know absolutely nothing about as you'll only be made to look like a fool later

t.foster73 08-03-2004 06:12

Maybe the install Exe's can be cracked, in a similar fashion to many of the earlier Westwood Studios games, but it all comes down to whether the Hackers can be bothered to go back and work on these older games. Trackmania has been out for months in the UK, so I can't see a fixed install Exe being released, if indeed it is possible to make one, and of a reasonable size (I've seen some Tages hacks recently coming in at 400mb!).

Eagle 08-03-2004 06:18

>>>Trackmania has been out for months in the UK, so I can't see a fixed install Exe being released

maybe the crackers don't like that game :p

>>> I've seen some Tages hacks recently coming in at 400mb!

show'm to me...

t.foster73 08-03-2004 06:56

I know Dead to Rights had a 350mb file. There is a small crack file available, but if you install from a backup rather than the original, funny things happen later in the game. The thing is, with crack files that big, that let you install the game, the downloaded file is so large you're getting into Warez territory.

TippeX 08-03-2004 07:30

a fixed install was made, for the warez release, too bad if you cant get it, remember the crack teams do NOT support ppl making their own personal backups, their cracks are designed for the releases they did, and arent really intended to be stripped out and released as stand alone...the 400mb crack you speak of was dead to rights (which wasnt tages, you are quite consistant in making up completely inaccurate statements arent you).. it was 400mb simply because of the starforce3 virtual file system where 400mb of files werent present on the cd, so they had to be recreated and supplied.. next time you make a statement please for christ sake research what you intend to state and make sure its accurate

ByteMare 08-03-2004 08:34

400 mb crack? Tagés? Really? Oh, I think I saw Elvis today at Burgerking, yeah, he had his best pal Jesus with him....looked like a real couple....yup..it was awesome..

Man, you really should check your "sources" for some proper info
and stop this bs about "hackers are defeated"

The cracking teams ownz the f*cking game industry, some games doesn't even get to the stores before they're cracked...even though they're protected with the "latest copykiller" but keep on whining, it sure will add more famous quotes to the Tagés homepage...

t.foster73 08-03-2004 08:50

I never said Dead to Rights used Tages. I was referencing a file I've seen for Beyond Good and Evil. That's beside the point anyway. Most NOCD cracks are originally created for the cracking groups own RIPS, and find their way onto sites such as this (You only have to read many of the included Readme files to see this). We use these files to allow us to make personal backups. It is assumed that we own the original, mainly because if we had illegally downloaded the full game, we would have the crack included in that file. You could see a NOCD as partly Warez from that extent, but I see no harm if you have bought the original. Starforce3 HAS made making a backup for the legitimate buyer a lot harder, as it's no longer a case of making a CD backup and using a NOCD crack. You now rely on the original in order to install the game, and Starforce3 is very picky. I had a TINY scratch on my Trackmania CD, and it wouldn't install. The shop did replace it, but only out of goodwill. This wouldn't have been a problem with other CD's, as I could have installed them from a backup if a problem with the original arose, which has happened a few times, particularly on older CD's. CD's are just not as hardy as many are led to believe. Now my Trackmania and Gangland CD's are hanging around my Desktop, within easy reach of my 3 year old or cup of spilt Tea. With many of these protections, you don't feel you OWN the game, but rather it's on lease to you until the CD gives up the ghost. It's a double edged sword that we sometimes use crackers code to allow us to play our originals without the CD or a backup, but I believe it's our god given right to make a backup, even if the Law says not. I'm not interested in point scoring my knowledge over other users, I'm sure you know much more than me regarding CD protection. All I'm trying to do is make a backup of the games which I've spent my hard earned money on. OK, my 'Hackers are defeated' is plainly wrong, as anything can be cracked eventually. Maybe I'm trying to spur the crackers on into making a fixed Install. A nocd is better than nothing, as the original can be kept safely away, but it's only a halway house if you still need the original to install the game, and this Starforce protection is going to take off I feel. Maybe then hackers will have generic templates to crack the protection, and nocd's will be a commonplace as Securerom/Safedisc, though I doubt it very much.

TippeX 08-03-2004 10:18

spur the crackers on.. bad idea, cos u gotta realise the crackers simply do not give 2 ****s about the end user or the person making their backup, the crackers make the crack for their cracked/warez'd release.. thats where the buck stops, the crackers do not support their files being ripped out and distributed on sites such as gcw, or ppl ripping off their work and claiming it as their own, or distributing the cracks ripped out of the main release on p2p networks..

as for generic templates, i'd suggest you go research starforce then you might realise that a generic template is out of the question considering each game is different

as for your gangland or trackmania cd sitting on your desktop waiting to your child to wreck it or spill tea on it or whatever, that simply is your own problem, if you're stupid enough to leave your cd's sitting out in such an environment then you're simply asking for trouble

t.foster73 08-03-2004 10:52

I don't believe it is my problem. CD media is Volatile at best, and until a more reliable Data storage method becomes available I think we should be allowed to make a back-up. I mean PC gaming is a convoluted business already, what with Viruses, Upgrades, Tweaking etc, without making our life a misery in the CD media department as well. Just last week I had to mess with BWA files and Alcolhol 120 just to get a 2.99 Sold Out range of Deus X to run properly. There must be a better way. Maybe Game product activation or something. Bring back the dongle, that's what I say!

TippeX 08-03-2004 11:04

heh i wonder how much added mayhem a dongle would cause, and how much it'd add onto the game cost, you'd end up with a drawer full of dongles, it'd be madness and yep cd media is volatile granted, but leaving it on desktops, in open sunlight, direct heat etc isnt really good for it either ;), end result is tho sadly the games company once they've made their sale really dont care about you any more

t.foster73 08-03-2004 11:15

I guess so.

ByteMare 08-03-2004 13:50

Don't forget that the power is in your pocket, if you don't buy the game the company loose money....if the game doesn't work in your standard CD-rom, return it to the shop and claim your money back =company looses money + bad publicity....if they don't give support = return game..bla bla...

Oh, and especially if it's a JoWoot game....guys, give it up, the protection scheme(s) sucks or at least try to improve the antidebugging sh*t ;)

t.foster73 08-03-2004 13:58

I can understand why games companies want to stop people ripping off their games, it just seems to be the legitimate buyers who seem to suffer most. Still, what's new there?

TippeX 08-03-2004 14:31

heh i dont think jowoot can add more to their anti debug
with their recent games, i think they've more or less thrown in everything possible.. svkp, xtreme protector, securom, triggers etc etc.. and of course, they didnt stop the crackers, they just ended up in pissing off the ppl who legitimately bought the game and couldnt get it to work

alexzzz 09-03-2004 00:18

hello!!!
 
you have still not answerd my question....can I find anywere a "ganglang" no cd crack ???? I found an "against Rome" no cd crack in megagames.
Please answer this and then keep on fighting

t.foster73 09-03-2004 01:46

Like we said, Gangland uses Starforce3, so it may take a little while for a crack to become available. The game got bad reviews (Even though I think it's quite good), so maybe the crack groups will give it a wide birth. As soon as I find a Crack (and IF), I will let you know.

thecrow-realone 10-03-2004 07:44

i ive heard the starforce can be cracked
it just takes more time and its diffucult

so many are to lazy and avoids starforce 3 games

well maybe this is the challenge real crackers need ?

cause if they give up
then all new games will be starforce protected soon

i just wanna play gangland and im broke...

so hurry op please lol

ps against rome has a crack out on mega games now
but a freind told me its uses starforce 2
is starforce 3 that harder to crack ?

t.foster73 10-03-2004 14:30

I have a few Starforce 2 games, and Alcohol120 can play them with emulation, but not Starforce3. I think it's more than an update to Starforce2, and is a lot harder to crack. As you say, the fewer Starforce3 cracks there are, the more tempting it will look to game developers. There is no question that crackers can rip anything given time, but that's the idea behind many of these new protections. They make such subtle alterations to the game code (Guns jamming, Key cards that can't be found), that checking any crack works correctly is going to take a lot more time, and there can be a lot of PC releases at certain times of the year (The next 3 weeks being a prime time for games). If EVERY Starforce3 game has to be cracked in a different way, I suspect we will only see cracks for the really big titles, if at all! In fact, if these new protections only set the crackers back a few weeks, then that will make them successful to some degree, as this is the time most stolen software is sold/ripped off.

thecrow-realone 10-03-2004 15:48

yes im afraid ur right there...

i like this game so bad im trying to raise cash for it eventhough im kinda broke at the moment..

but the fear of loosing my investment cause i cant make a safety back up and´a few scratches would stop the game from playing

considerations like that

is why i probably wait until a "fixed" one is out

then i could buy the game later and suport the developer and play my safety back up..

but i might be soo mad at them i might not buy it at all


time will tell

no safety back up - no sale

Hirurg 11-03-2004 01:57

I have downladed Against Rome fixed exe i nocd, and when I extract it in instalation directory, the game still won't work.



Its's says insert the original Against rome cd1 in your cd/dvd drive.



How to run the game?

AndyMc 13-03-2004 08:30

yeah and the Crack? :)
 
LOL I was reading this looking for a gangland fix, then this converse quickly turned into a ******* fight LOL no really it was funny :) then I turn the page and Alexzzz says " what about the crack?" lol m8 that was funny, so yeah, how about the crack! :) hehe it was like 2 girls wearing the same top then having a fight abotu who;s looks better! ;)

thecrow-realone 13-03-2004 09:31

and ur post is anybetter ?

AndyMc 13-03-2004 09:35

Handbag fight!
 
LOL m8, u get erges to have ******* fights? LOL m8 im not into *******s but thanks for thinking of me.

Sgathan 14-03-2004 09:08

There seems to be some confusion about the warez/cracking scene and it's motivations so I will attempt to clear these points up.

Rips, ISOs, clones and cracks will be made regardless of how much we like or dislike a game. We release everyhing we can in accordance with proper scene rules.

The proper crack scene does indeed strive to support personal backups or else it would not be nearly as large as it is. If we only made cracks for the ISO scene we'd be fairly obsolete as the ISO scene makes their own cracks and any ISO release that requires a separate crack would be nuked. Granted, with the latest technologies our work is becoming a more difficult and lengthy process, but have no illusions, everything gets released.

As of this writing there is no crack for Gangland, so stop asking.
There are a lot of bright people working on it and it will be pre'd when it's done. As for the people who say Starforce 3 can't be cracked, you can take this to the grave: every protection now and forever will always be crackable. As long as we hold everything needed for the application to function in our hands, we can strip out or work around the protection. It may be a mind numbingly long and hard task but it can be done.

With new protections making each CD unique however, the prospect of making a standard no CD crack for your originals is questionable, but we will do our best.

There are so many people running around saying it's the end of warez, etc. it is the end of nothing. Don't expect us to crack everything in 5 minutes. We're not dealing with the same protections we have for so many years. We are the innovators in this field, and because we hold the finished media in our hands we have the upper hand. What man makes, man can and will unmake.

JoyBoy 14-03-2004 09:25

Excellent post Sgathan.

And on that note... Closing


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