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TheMasterRat 26-02-2003 12:38

oh, no @#$@ way...
 
My apple modded v7 doesn't seem to boot Xenosaga ( ORIGINAL )

WTF?!

Any ideas????

Well, it finally booted ( after about TWENTY ****IGN TIMES! )

What gives? Why does it hate Xenosaga?

bighap 26-02-2003 12:47

It worked fine for Charlie in his review of the apple chip. Are you using an import or the US version?

TheMasterRat 26-02-2003 13:46

It's the US version bighap

bighap 26-02-2003 14:56

Hmmm, I might have to go rent this game to try it out with my apple.

UrrBodyH8sMe 26-02-2003 15:22

xeno
 
is xeno saga out in the U.S. alrdy and can it be copied on 2 a
dvd-r

bighap 26-02-2003 15:46

Yeah its out but from what I have read it is a dvd9 so it isnt burnable yet. Can you confirm this TheMasterRat?

mud ver.2 26-02-2003 23:08

Fitting it on to 1 DVD-R isn't possible. But splitting it onto 2 DVD-R's, now there's the right direction.

Someone will need to figure that one out, though. My guess is, someone is already trying.

bighap 26-02-2003 23:20

I know BG tried everything to backup the Pal version of Xenosaga, but had no luck. Someone will find a way eventually.

mud ver.2 26-02-2003 23:26

Yeah.

If release groups like Kalisto can rip DVD games down to CD-R's, then there is no reason why a DVD9 can't be split is 2.

The great thing about DVD9... It's never bigger than 2 DVD-R's.

bighap 26-02-2003 23:39

The problem isn't the size. It's the fact that there are dummy files and the game is only recognized as having one layer by Windows, or something to this effect. Maybe BG can add a little to this on his findings....

TheMasterRat 27-02-2003 00:38

Sorry for not replying guys. yes, the game is DVD9.

Yes, it was released in the US on 2/26/02.

RecordNow Max shows the following information :

01 - Zone - (2002-12-02 13:26) Length - 8076.00MB

TheMasterRat 27-02-2003 01:47

DAMNIT!

It's doing it ( or not doing it as the case is ) AGAIN!

The thing won't boot. WHAT GIVES?!

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Frustration. Don't mind me.

Charlie, if you read this thread, would you mind posting EXACTLY how you were successful in booting this game? Because I've tried everything so far.

The PS2 works great for everything else. Plays all backups and originals.

WHAT JACKASS AT MONOLITH DECIDED TO PUBLISH DVD9 WHICHC THE PS2 HAS PROBLEMS READING TO BEGIN WITH!?

GAH!

bighap 27-02-2003 05:32

Charlie's test was with the pal version of the game. Maybe things are different with the ntsc version. If you have a gameshark, you might want to try booting behind that to see if you have any better luck.

UrrBodyH8sMe 27-02-2003 07:18

what about this
 
would the xeno saga fit on to this dvd Optodisc DVD-RAM 9.4GB or is a ram dirve different from a dvd burner and 2nd ? i seen a 2 sided dvd disk holds 9.4 would that be good to copie games on like put gta3 on 1 side vice city on the other have 2 games in 1 :)

bighap 27-02-2003 07:31

The Optodisc 9.4gb dvds are just double sided dvds as well, so it is basically 2 discs and the game would still need to be split somewhere. Yes you can use double sided dvd media to put a different game on each side but be prepared to pay more for these types of discs. The disc is more likely to be damaged as well because you don't have a protected side.

UrrBodyH8sMe 27-02-2003 11:34

i could have swore
 
yes i swore i seen a 9.4 gig dvd on ebay only one sided may just been worng pic for the picture and i also heard on tect tv of a 25 gig dvd but i dont know how they work or what to burn them with

Ob-Shaky 27-02-2003 14:32

They exist
 
Celebrate first post with me! :D

Look on goggle for 9.4 disks and you will find a lot of different brands... The cheaper I saw 'em was for like 6 for a disk.
100 packages sell for like $350 - $400!!

Why DMC2 is 2 dvd5 and Xenosaga 1 dvd9? An explanation would be apreciated...

I heard somewhere that Cendyne DVD-r drives (Pioneer) is possible to flash the drive BIOS and make it compatible with dvd9 copying. Can this be true?
This is because I have a friend that flashed his cd-r drive and upgraded the burning speed. This means that burning speed lies on programing rather than the architecture of the drive.

So, If dvd9 burning consists of programing rather than drive physical architecture, you could flash the bios and upgrade from normal dvd-r drive to dvd9-r drive...:rolleyes:
Just a nOOb wondering ;)

dust2dust 27-02-2003 14:56

be assured u can not burn 9.4gb on a one sided dvdr ,

only way at the moment is a hksilver,pressed not burnt

Ob-Shaky 27-02-2003 15:34

obviously
 
Two sided dvd-r (4.9 each side) I think is a pretty unsecure way to burn games because then you would need extra care with the discs. And if you are like me that store the games in regular cd wallets (have you seen the dvd-only cd wallets? OMFG lol! just stupid ppl fall for that) they eventually will get scratched on the side facing up.
So if you use those type of discs just to say "I have GTA3 and VC on one disc!" its pretty lame and cheap because my VC is original and it haves some mild scratchs on it and the game frezzes displaying the "error reding GTAVC disc..." thing...
Just get two good dvdrs discs and forget the worries... So what Im gonna do is to burn the VC game on a scratch-free dvd-r

Burn 9.4 on 4.7 obviously cant be done but my point was that there are several brands on 9.4 discs avaiable. just use on a search engine keyword: 9.4 dvd-r and Viola! expensive media and expensive drives w/burning speeds of 1x...

Joy. :o

bighap 27-02-2003 15:40

9.4 gb media has been around for a while now. I would like to see these 9 gig dvd drives you are talking about, cause they don't exist.

Ob-Shaky 27-02-2003 15:50

Common sense...
 
If they dont exist... Then explain the avaiability of 9.4 media dragon dude :o

BG 27-02-2003 15:59

9.4 media is DOUBLE SIDED (nothing more than a dvd5 on each side)

A true dvd9 holds 9.4 gb on ONE side......

bighap 27-02-2003 16:18

I couldn't have said it better myself BG.:)

mud ver.2 27-02-2003 23:47

I could have.



Not really.

WDR 28-02-2003 03:18

Quote:

Originally posted by BG
9.4 media is DOUBLE SIDED (nothing more than a dvd5 on each side)

A true dvd9 holds 9.4 gb on ONE side......

yeah.. he is right...

there is no 9.4GB DVD-R on ONE side ... the use dual layer...

those are 9.4GB DVD-RAM or Double Side.... Take a search on Google? yes... i did... but all those are not DVD9.

WDR

TheMasterRat 28-02-2003 03:31

So anyone got any ideas? Or should I just have my PS2 re-chipped w/Messiah 2 Pro?

bighap 28-02-2003 11:30

TheMasterRat, I will hopefully be able to get my hands on Xenosaga next week. I can report back to you how my Apple handles it if you like. If it's a no go, then that would be the first unsuccessful game I have run across for the Apple.

TheMasterRat 28-02-2003 12:19

Well, it does boot. When it feels like it.

About a 1 in 12 chance. if not higher. *shrug*

Just annoying to have to keep hitting reset reset reset!

rubber2k1 28-02-2003 12:39

Wonder what would happen if you use DVD2one on the game? It works on a DVD movie why wouldnt it work on a game? just a thought!

TheMasterRat 28-02-2003 12:54

Quote:

Originally posted by rubber2k1
Wonder what would happen if you use DVD2one on the game? It works on a DVD movie why wouldnt it work on a game? just a thought!
Movies use codecs to pack the data. They can be modified and still read at a smaller ( lesser quality ) size.

An example of doing that to regular data would be zipping it up.
Last I checked PS2 can't unrar/zip things ;)

Nice thought though.

catinhat 28-02-2003 13:11

There is now a kalisto rip to put it on one dvd-r. But as of yet I haven't found anywhere to download the kalisto file.

rubber2k1 01-03-2003 08:01

Be one hell of a file to download:(

Headly 01-03-2003 19:29

I have had the same problem with xenosaga on my PS2. From what I have read from one of the sticky's is that the problem is the reflectivity. Reflectivity of DVD-r is between 45%-65%. DVD has a reflectivity of 40%-45%. It seems to boot on my V7 about 1 out of 10 times.

Jay boy 01-03-2003 19:51

http://www.console-news.org/index.ph...tem=1&nfo=2431

TheMasterRat 01-03-2003 23:29

Nope.. Screw that. Why download a rip for a game I own? :confused:

bighap 02-03-2003 00:30

Has any Messiah 2 user tried the US version of Xenosaga?

Headly 02-03-2003 06:53

I had to do a laser adjustment on my brothers PS2 with messiah 2. I had just recaived xenosaga that day. after the adjustment it booted and played perfect.

BG 02-03-2003 14:34

Quote:

Originally posted by bighap
Has any Messiah 2 user tried the US version of Xenosaga?
Yep.... US Xenosaga plays perfect on the M2.... Also, Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (JAP), & Gran Turismo Concept 2002 Tokyo-Geneva plays perfectly also.... ALL are DVD-9 games..... :)

WDR 02-03-2003 19:43

Do you think that it can be fixed by updating the PS2 DVD Drivers?

Mine is 1.30U. I didn't try out this DVD9 games but I tried to play the DVD Movie (Utimate Jordan DVD-9 over 8GB of data) and the chances to play this disc is 1/10.

DVD The PlayStation 2-Xbox DVD Compatibility List

on this page, they said that the dvd remote has the latest DVD driver for PS2.

Does anyone knokw wheve to download "this" latest driver on the web? Maybe this drivers can fix the DVD9 Game problem

WDR

bighap 02-03-2003 22:17

I think the remote only upgrades you to 1.20, unless this has been changed in newer releases of it. I don't think upgrading will help anyways because TheMasterRat has a v7 which has the newest dvd drivers and is still having problems.


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