SafeDisc2 is copyable
 

Hi,
Just made a selfrunning backup of Hitman and American MCGee's Alice with an Yamaha 8424. Runs perfect. Tried it with my Sony CXR 140E, works too. SafeDisc2 is not that hard as I thought a month ago. Believe me it is copyable, just use your brain!!!!

My friend manage to copy a SafeDisc2 protected disc with a HP 8200i, and it works fine! The thing is to read it in the CD-Burner and not from a CD-ROM or a DVD player.

Hi , could u give me a clue about how u did it ?

Oh man, has nothing to do with the reader. You can use any reader you want. You are just one of the lucky guys whom burner can manage the new copyprotection sectors. Runs your CD only in your writer or in every drive ??? And by the way, I am speaking here of readers that NORMALLY can't copy a SD2 game (self-running of cause).

So, you give us any info, or not, how to copy sd2. :)

u cant tell us ur settings because ur a liar!!!!!!!!GUARENTEEEED!!

Yes, certain safedisk 2 discs can be backed up, I think Red alert 2 is SD2 and thats a simple one, but your missing the point about safedisc 2' capabilities:
Every time safedisk is incorporated into a master CD, it can be altered by the manufacturer to hve different characteristics, you may copy one cersion of a CD, but maybe not the next version. Its kinda hard to explain to people just how advanced this system is.
Its not about the hardware ot the software your using but about the way SafeDisc 2 is implemented.

Cant help you anymore, sorry I guess that people will just never undersatnd it.

Hi,

fisrt of all gorelooser if you thing it is something about settings in any proggi you are on the wrong road, and disquallified yourself. Every one who wants to have it the easy way : "put cd into reader, readout image (i.e. CloneCD), put cdr into writer, write image and off she goes" then buy a burner that is normally capable of burning SD2. Once again I am speaking here of a method, with which you can burn SD2 with a burner that usually can't do it (Sony and other zillions of that kind). O.k. Right now it works for me, but hzave to test and prove that it works for others. Untill than I won't give any hints or tips. Have a little pation, K???? I wanted to give you some hope that it is possible to copy SD2 and encourage you to try it for yourself. But leave the old paths. So now you can start to call names and all the bullshit allways starts. Maybe next week am ready to explain how it works, but first the checkups.

Till then

Cap

GIVE UP, it's possible on most Phillips, some Ricoh, some yamaha, and thats as far as I know, This **** isn't gonna tell you how he's done it even if he has.

Try another source but I can tell you this much it is nothing to do with the settings or the software you use.

Yes, you jerk, right, now I won't. I wish you all a happy coaster-burning !!!!

And duckers, you are the know-it-all. You make me breathless of wonder :)

Firstly, andras or eva31 or whatever your name is....why do you keep posting spam links to you bloody website??? STOP SPAMMING YOU TWAT. You've been warned on other forums so stop it.

Secondly, CaptainTrips, the only way you are going to convince me that you've found some magical way of forcing a burner to do perfect copies of SD2 is to post some info to back up your ludicrous claims.
There have been plenty of posts in many forums by peeps with more obvious knowledge than yourself. They all agree on the same thing. That SD2 is a very clever protection scheme which utilises weaknesses in the firmware and operating abilities of end-user CD writers. This is not a software question.......if it was then CloneCD would never work on any burner. The fact is that it is clearly a hardware based problem. i.e. have the correct hardware and you'll burn a copy which works on all CDROMS. It wasn't that long ago that some of us refused to buy new hardware to allow CloneCD to be used to the full. Now that seems foolish as pretty much everything can be copied.
So my point to you is this. I have enough knowledge to be totally convinced that the problems we've had with SD2 are based upon the hardware and firmware that we are running. NOT any software. So if you've managed to alter you burner's firmware AND it still works then WELL DONE INDEED. You really are very clever indeed. However, if you're bragging because you have a working copy of a SD2 title (RA2 is the only one currently causing major problems) which many people have already achieved, then sit down and chill. What most of us are after is a workable copy for everyone who wants it. The success rate is only determined at this time by the hardware that peeps are running.
So unless you fancy explaining yourself, then please stop posting silly "look what I can do" rubbish posts.

So my post to you is this,

what is your problem ??? That someone could be out there, who could know or maybe know how it works without this "buy new burner" shit and won't tell you right away how it works ??? Oh man, grow up!!! If you treat people like you do, than don't expect anything of them. Buying a new burner is your solution ?
O.k. why not. I shit money all day long :)

First, it is no magic, cause i am not a
magican :)
Second, weakness in the firmware is likely wrong,
operating abilities of writer maybe
correct, but it's only one half of the truth
Third, the ability of software doesn't matter,
I agree with that
Fourth, I have not modified my firmware, there
are better people than me hunting and
trying this solution
Fifth, "RA2 is the only one currently causing
major problems", come on man, read some
posts and forums, and say it again :)
Sixth, "please stop posting silly "look what I can
do" rubbish posts", yep, this was my last
of this sort

O.k. this is my last post in this thread. Makes no fun anymore. I have not achieved the honor, fame and respect i came for ;) Buhuuuuuhuu. You all convinced me, it has no sence to say it works and not to tell how. That is really mean of me. I am a bad, bad boy and an asshole, too!!!
So go and buy a new burner, go hunting for new settings and keep up your wailing and awe about this "good" SD2 protection :) and decorate your romm with coasters. And when the next and protection comes, buy a new burner and so on and so on........ But that is the way of life, some know-it-all deserve it not better ;)
Oh, and I give a f...., ehm, I don't care if you believe me or not, have no interest in convincing you.

Bye
the biggest mean asshole
Captain Trips

Crispy hits the nail on the head.

Unless he can write a decompiler for the firmware, alter data and reinstall it without making a bug then he is a clever guy..........
otherwise well have to just keep trying.
Never mind it happens to the best of us.

Catch you later.

cripsy you are 100% correct, it all to do with hardware. Like you said if we modify the firmware then we might be able to copy SD2 some guys are working on this right now for Plextor and Sony writers. Hopefully if they are successfull we won't have to worry about the stupid protection. Captaintrips doesn't know shit, Olli himself said it doesn't work.

I think it is becuase i have made working backups of Ground Control and Deus Ex which i think are both Safedisc 2.
I got clone database which told me that

I got A SONY CRX140E cd writer

Hi mate. I don't know about Ground Control, but DEUS EX is not protected. (have copied it myself with no hassle). I must admit that I don't trust CloneDB that much. In saying that, I find that the 3 different CD protection detectors I use do sometime throw out different results with the same CD!!

And Captain Trips, if you are home from school yet, check out
####://www.daemon-tools.com/main800.htm

There is some interesting points made by Swenske and Venom386 (co-creators of Daemon tools) which, as I explained ealier, lays the blame for an inability to burn SD2 reliably firmly on the hardware and it's firmware. Even if you won't believe me, you can't deny what these two masters have to say.......

crispy i glad to see someone in here knows what their talking about. By the way Ground Control is protected with Safedisk 1. I have been posting this stuff up for ages now but for some reason no one is taking any notice, they just keep posting the same stupid questions about SD 2 about it over and over. Anyway thats my moan of the day.

Later

Nope Ground Control is also not SD2 protected either. I did my backup copy using (ackhmmm) Adaptec. Needs the patch and crack though to work.

Now i have a question bout Deus Ex. I have just received a copy of it from a friend so that we can play online against each other or as a team but both his copy (original) and the copy he did for me takes 5 mins to load up and also when you get killed it freezes. Even control Alt and Delete doesnt work and the only way out is to Alt and Tab and then close the program. I have tried the game upgrade poatch and this didnt work either and was wondering if he has a faulty game or whether it is a bug in the game? Any help will be appreciated on this. Thanks.

Sorry to hear of your probs with DEUS EX. I have been running a backup of this game for a while and have myself had probs with it. Not as you describe, but probs with my video card on shutdown. I know there are two patches available for this game from eidosinteractive.co.uk

One is a fairly small video card fix, but the other is a rather whopping multiplayer and game patch (>10 meg, I think) so if you've time to spare downloading it, this may help. It may be worthwhile re-installing yours from the original just for safety's sake, then using your copy for the cd-check.

Good luck....

Sorry for posting a dof statement like that , I found out that Ground control was protected by securom . DFLW is a SD2 and i copied it and it installed but it would'nt play, what oter settings could i trie

Hi mate.
If you only have access to the Sony burner, and the game you want to copy is SD2, then it looks like you are out of luck. I've seen many posts from peeps who've successfully copied SD2 (eg RA2) but can't remember anyone mentioning a Sony drive. The only hardware having repeated success are those based on Phillips internals (Acer, Fujitsu) and Iomega ZipCD. You may be better off patching with something off GCW to be sure of a working copy.

Cripsy and Packer just thought i say that some SD2 games can be backed with Sony drives because they seem to use a weaker version of SD2. RA2 and Alice seem to use the hard version, but DFLW, NOLF and MW4 seem to use the easy version depending where you live. This is just what i read in other forums i can't tell you for sure bacause i don't own any of the so-called easy to copy games.

HI mate....yep you're right about the different levels of protection. RA2 seems to have been the highest level so far, and there are definitely some games with lower SD2 (or maybe just an updated version of SD1??) protection. I agree that as far as the weaker ones are concerned, any drive which was able to copy SD1 should copy SD2 as well. (including that old favourite, the Sony!)
I should have been more specific in my post, but didn't want to confuse peeps any more!! So, just to clarify....if the version of SD2 on a game uses these "weak" sectors, then only a few drives will produce a copy which works on any drive, whilst the rest which work only the burner that produced them.

Cheers guys for an interesting thread.

hey captain lips!!! stop flappin ur mouth u non copying LIAR!!! u dont know JACK!!!!!!!

I take it not many people keep upto date on copright protections such as boringloozer(u lie u lie)look on this site and whoa and behold unsafedisc 2 is out and daemon 2.47is out the first is a unpacker to create your own cracks very similar to the first unsafedisc.The second is a code that fills in the blanks that safedisc 2 puts onto your disc when you burn them.Info can be found on Daemon website for a detailed description of what safedisc2 does and how it can be fixed.Certain precautions can be taken when burning a cd to create a 1:1 copy.This is not bollocks its fact take time to study what people say and you too can do 1:1 copys of certain games(not all)that have safedisc 2 protection...Please Boringloozer get a twating life.

Interesting post mate.

I understand what you are trying to say but there are still a few errors ro your thoughts..

1. unsafedisc2 just creates a decrypted game.exe so that UNPERFECT copies will run.
2. Daemon tools is a fine program which EMULATES what most cd burners cannot reproduce about copy protections (and of course allow you to run images from your HD, rather than a cd). It does not however "fill in the blanks" as you put it. It merely emulates these if they are missing from the copy. So if your copy is not a perfect 1:1 copy, then it will not run without daemon in the background.
3. Playback - this is a new emulation program which works in a similar fashion to Daemon Tools and again, only helps you run an IMPERFECT copy (although it would appear with full SD2 emulation...which Daemon Tools is just about to do)

What we were talking about was creating a PERFECT copy which will run in any drive, without patching or emulation. There is NO program which can write these new sectors if your hardware is not up to the task.
So the problem still remains. If your burner cannot handle these "weak" sectors (many can't which is why Macrovision has spent a lot of time and money specially creating them) then you CANNOT burn a perfect 1:1 copy, only a copy which is IMPERFECT.

Hi I have a Sony CRX-140E too and cannot create a working backup off HIT-MAN Please help!! me.? email me

Hi I have a Sony CRX-140E too and cannot create a working backup of HIT-MAN Please help!! me.? email me

Can a Mitsumi CR-4804TE copy and successfully make a working backup of Safedisc v2 games? The 4804TE does RAW reading and RAW writing, as well as sub channel reading for both audio and data. I have read some posts somewhere that this CD-RW does copy and burn SD2 games... Anyone use this drive?

Raks55 ,

I have been unable to make a back up that even just works in the cdrw alone! of DFLW , raks55 you probably know! but i have acces to an Iomega ZIPcd 650! will that work?

hey cap wot a load of shite you talk.
this forum is for people with problems and solutions. not bored ####ing loozers like yourself. stop trying to be something your not (popular)

Hey,

couldnt believe this thread is still alive. I see you still didnt used your brain, maybe there is none in your head ( ;) what about you goreloozer maybe you should change your name into brainloozer, hehehehe). Anything new ??? Ohhhh, I see, nope, nothing new, still coasters and pathes. Reading some posts, I get the feeling that some of you get some money from Macrovison, dont you. This awe for this shitty protection can only bought.......

Happy coaster burning........mates.

Cap

This is just a test!
My recent posts are disappearing! Would someone in "POWER" tell me why? Did I unknowingly post something about a cd fix or a crack/serial number? Why hasn't my browsing this site been canceled too?

I had too much of a similar thing on the 3dfxgamers forums befor 3dfx make a shit decision.

I had a lot of messages go missing on a thread where an admin was spamming.

The Iomega ZIPcd650 Worked it works in all my drives ,but it doesn'twork in some drives but most of them, SD2 is now a thing of the past!

Can i burn Final Fantasy 8 with a Ricoh CD-R/CD-RW MP7040A?
Or is Final Fantasy a none safedisc2 protection?
If no no how to copy then Final Fantasy(I've tried Clone CD & Nero Burning 5.0.3.8.) ?
PLZ answer!

so does a mitsumi 4804te with clone(top 3 ticked on reading,top one ticked on writing)not work then?

Please let me know when, i belive i need different firmware for my Sony...

Raven & ;0) ....

Yes, the Mitsumi CR-4804TE will make working backups for "some" SD2 games, Oni, No One Lives Forever are 2 straight of the top of my head. I'm yet to try RA2, thats next on the list of games to try .....

I have been reading in CloneClinic Forum that someone, when RA2 was first released, made a perfect working copy using the Mitsumi.

The 2 top boxes ticked for reading, read at 4x.
The top box ticked for writing, write at 2x.

Thoes are the settings i use everytime, with the newest firmware, so far i havn't had one coaster....

Hey CaptainTrips, hear that?????? NOT ONE COASTER!!!!!!!