Segagen/Smash Pack Problem
 

Hi again.Using Echelons method to selfboot segagen, Lemecs selfboot pack, cdrwin, LBA 0,11700, using US *.bin roms with <28 characters, Verbatim media & having a healthy Dreamcast & Multisession capable burner, so everything should be okay...........but its not:mad:


It selfboots nicely,but when i press Start on a rom, the emu will restart and take me back to the SEGA logo.What am i doing wrong? Im not asking for generic help such as "try burning it @ 2x" or "use utopia". All non generic ideas are welcome :)

Hmmm...
If my memory serves me well, I think I've heard of something special to selfboot this one. I wonder if you should NOT binhack 1st_read.bin.

Yeah you are right, *.bins dont need any hack if the LBA is 11700. I was aware of that, so tried cdrwin (11700,no hack) and cdrecord (11702,all bins hacked)........nothing.Im not a newbie,and tried everything i know BUT binhacking everything (all bins) to 0,0 values and using bin2boot. Do you think that might work? I have dloaded a selfbootable Segagen that actually works,and the files in there seem to have different sizes than mines (??) so im very confused.Im pretty sure of being using the right packs : Segagen echelon original pack + Lemecs selfboot one. It works perfectly in my 2 Dreamcasts until i choose a rom,its very weird,cause i have made selfboots using Echelon a LOT of times with exactly the same settings,they always work.

Hey Megalexxx i know u are very knowledgeable,so i was thinking of sending my files to you so you can give it a try yourself. That would be MUCH appreciated. Expect like 4mbs or so and it would take 5 minutes or less and a CD ;)
Another way would be to send you both packs (the one im using and the one that works) so you can compare them.

THX anyway for your reply

BTW im dreaming of the Hex string that will make NBA2k2 US and Evil Twin 60Hz ;)

Have you tried to use Bin2Boot WITHOUT binhacking anything ?
Bin2Boot binhacks 1st_read.bin on its own.

By the way, you need to binhack all bin files containing "CD001" ONLY, even if your LBA value is 11700. My burner makes LBA=11702. Some others make LBA=11700, but you don't know if your bin files are already hacked to 11700 or 11702, so you'd better binhack them anyway. Most of non selfboot game have LBA value = 46000...

Hmmm your reply gave me some ideas,cause the Echelons bins are binhacked to 11700,but im not sure Lemecs are also,so i will try again with Echelons method (since bin2boot will always make a coaster,hacked bins or not) with all CD001 files hacked to 11700 (thats the value my burner gives).I will post soon again.TY again :)

Nada,mate... :confused: I dont know what else to do,PLZ PLZ PLZ give it a try yourself,tell me what to send and where,im about to cry lol

Hmm i'm gonna try and burn the smash pack rom loader in a day or so - the lemec one... I'll post again if it works.

THX infinity, lemme know whatever your result is. If you succeed ill be happier tho ;) Good luck

I followed the instructions carefully, binhacked 1st_read.bin.... burned it with cdrecord. Unfortunately it didn't work- after the sega screen it resets the dc.:confused:
I'll try again some other time- busy with mario sunshine;)

Sorry i couldn't help

I self booted those no problem with bin2boot.

What did you do? MKISOFS and then bin2boot? Could u plz send over here your segagen (no roms of course) + small text with what u did? Im no noobie,dont need a echelon tutorial,i bet you know what i mean... ;) PLZ tell me what burner you have...THX in advance.

BTW THX anyway,infinite

Yeah could you plz explain the process, i've tried bin2boot but it didnt work. 4 coasters :( tried no hack, hack, scramble, binhack everything there is, well almost...
Or if you'd be kind enough to send me the emulator without the roms of course.

I've got the same problem too...
 

I tried it with Echelon's Rom-Loader Pack (without roms), and with the BIN-files, contained at the "full" ISO (within roms), binhacked and not binhacked...

Either the Dreamcast reboots by loading roms, or the rom-browser doesn't show any file.

Could you send a tutorial, how to hack these bins? Or the changed bins (@ LBA 11702) ;-)

Pleeeaaassse!!!!! I already killed 18 CDRs :((

I'VE GOT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

It's working now :o))))

I did it with cdrecord. (burn dummy-audiotrack usw.), I think bin2boot doesn't work for this.

Just use binhack.exe to hack following files to the right LBA (probably its 11702):

Ginreset.bin
Manifest.bin
Mde_us.bin
1st_read.bin

IP.bin have to be write-protected (Error message "IP.bin could not be written"), just for hacking 1st_read.bin
it must not!

If that is done go on just as usual. (make ISO with the same LBA you hacked the BINs before)

It's like burning a normal DC-Game, just have to binhack 3 extra-BINs.

good luck!

Thats cool,Thoblen,very cool indeed....When you say "probably" i hope you mean "for sure 11702" ;) What loader are you using (and where did you get it from)? Lemec one is way better,you know :) I downloaded a working segagen and it seemed to have been selfbooted using bin2boot,cause there is no audio and the boot track is the second one,so it works,its just we dunno how ;)

Ill try what you say as soon as you tell me what loader you are using...BTW those are the files i used to binhack (11700 - CDRWin) but always make "u_choose_the_rom_and_i_will_reset"- type coasters.

THX

OK guys this thread is finally over,this is what i did (it works):

1.Download Segagen,Lemecs loader and Echelon Kit utils

2.Get some Genesis aka MegaDrive roms.In order to work in segagen they must be *.bin,US versions and have names with less than 28 characters.There are tools to convert to bin and US.

3.cdrecord doesnt work here,so i used cdrwin.You have to binhack exactly as Thoblen said:
Ginreset.bin
Manifest.bin
Mde_us.bin
1st_read.bin

CDRWin gives me 11700,so used that value in binhack and mkisofs.

Ip.bin = read only for all binhacks BUT 1st_read.bin (again,THX Thoblen)

4.There is no 4,well,burn and enjoy :)

I cant believe it was so easy (damn,ive been pretty stoopid) and i cant believe no one told me before... Almost 200 ppl have seen this thread so far...

Now time to test all my roms so i can make the ultimate segagen pack and share it somewhere.

THX go to all of the forum guys who helped (specially Thobled,you gave me all the tips i needed),Echelon,Lemec and of course SEGA,authors of Genesis,Dreamcast and the original Sega Smash Pack (Echelon guys cracked it in order to make their launcher)

THE END (at last...)

Rom Loader Pack
 

I used the files, that Sega Smash Pack (hacked version within 100games) contains, and IP.bin from Echelon's "Sega Smash Pack Rom-Loader" (e-smshpck.zip)
I found it with google.com after long time of searching... Don't know the site, it's a few month ago, sorry.

Hi again,
I've done everything you said, only i binhacked the required bins to 11702 and it didnt work. ip.bin was read only for everything except 1st_read.bin

Enuff you said cdrecord doesnt work there, what did you mean by that?

Does it only work binhacked to 11700?

SEGAGen
 

The LBA has to fit to the 1 Track (Audio-Dummy) at your CD.
If you use cdrecord for the 1 Track, LBA is almost 11702, CDR-Win users should get a 11700 LBA. (I didn't get it to work with CDR-Win, but I prefer cdrecord anyway). You only have to hack all BINs to the same LBA.
Of course you have to set the ISO (mkisofs) to the same LBA like the BINs.

I think i did everything right yet it still doesnt work
Here is in detail what i've done:

First i extracted the echelon's smash pack loader then i've overwritten the original 1st_read.bin, ip.bin, manifest.bin and the two pvr files hakei.pvr and option.pvr (New Lemec Loader Files)

i binhacked 1st_read.bin to 11702
i made the ip.bin read only, binhacked ginreset.bin, mde_us.bin, manifest.bin to 11702

*I used 11702 coz thats the number msinfo gives me (cdrecord) after i've burned the audio.raw

After i've added only 2 US *.bin roms, that had no spaces...
I made the Iso file
mkisofs -C 0,11702 -V Segagen -l -o data.iso cd_root

then i used ipins.exe to insert ip.bin

i burned it but it didnt work :(

If you see anything that i've done wrong can you plz let me know

I'm sure i have all the necessary files:
[CD_ROOT]
0gdtex.pvr
ginreset.bin
ginsu.ini
ginxfer.bin
main.dat
mde_us.bin
title.dat
1st_read.bin
manifest.bin

[Roms Folder]
moji01.prv
stream.mlt
manate.drv
hakei.prv
option.pvr

and the two roms were Sonic3.bin and Wonderboy3.bin

Hack the other bins first with ORIGINAL ip.bin as read only.

The last file you have to binhack is 1st_read.bin,and you will create a new ip.bin.Use it in ipins.exe on the iso and the nightmare is over :)

Personally i wasted 14 cds with this baby...

Oh and make sure you are using the selfbootable version of lemecs loader (mine = obs-lmsb.zip).Good luck!

Oh i almost forgot,infinity...when i said "cdrecord doesnt work here" i meant that i cant burn cds using it with my recorder,so i have to use cdrwin (which gives me lba = 11700 for a cd with audio.raw in the first session).

Thx Enuff, I'm gunna try that now...
I'll let you know if it works or not :)

I think i've wasted atleast 10 cds on it too maybe even more

SUCCESS!!!

It finally works :)

thx again for helping me

Now i'm off to get more roms and just like you said create an ultimate smash pack of my own

Once again
Special Thanks
to all you guys who posted here and the creators of the emulator

Will this be [The End] of this thread???

Cool,Infinity...Very tricky shit,huh? All the ppl who posted here have been successful and other potential segagen users have all the tips needed posted already,unless they cant use echelon kit,so the thread is probably over See you soon :)

tricky shit indeed :)

Cya Enuff

I just didnt want this thread to die already,so ill post in it once again lol

A cool bit:

If you are a PAL user (i am) you can patch the mkisofs segagen iso with any palpatcher and have a 60hz full screen menu :D

It would be a shame for this thread to die :P

Well I've got mine self booting now, and its great...although I'm having problems running Road Rash1-3...but i've got a question...

Is there a way to bring up the menu that you see when the game is loaded (the one that says start game ect...) during the game? Is there a way to quit the game w/o restarting your DC?

Plus does anyone know a good mode/skip/audio combination to get the best performance out of Road Rash?

To exit a game hold A,B,X,Y and press Start

cool info!
thanks
i will try your method.

also, you dont need to make the IP.BIN as READ ONLY
just copy 4 IP.BIN
binhack the 4 bins with that 4 IP.BIN
then drop 3 IP.BIN except the one hacked with 1ST_READ.BIN

<^o^>

hello
i test your method(binhack 4 bins)
it selfboot well
but the another problem comes

when i press "RETURN TO MENU" in any game
it will quit (reset my DC)

in the normal Non-boot version
"RETURN TO MENU" will take me to the Rom select Screen

but this Selfboot version take me to DC MAIN Screen
(START,VMU,MUSIC,OPTION)

is there a way to fix it?

??
 

i tried to follow what you guys/gals all said . .but i really dont understand ..

when i usually burn dc emulators i just have all the files and i use self boot.. and i have a ip.bin and a 1st read bin.. and some other files and i click on self boot and it makes either a nero image or a discjuggler image..

i think i downlaoed the correct files.. for the gens emulator.. not sure.. i got these files from 2 different people

the first set of files is called genesis.zip (root folder) and inside are these files
title.dat
option.pvr
mde_us.bin
manifest.bin
main.dat
ip.bin.haikei.pvr
ginxfer.bin
ginsu.ini
ginreset.bin
1st_read.bin
0gdtex.pvr

the second set of files (another emulator ) contain these files
mde_us win rar archive (thats the root folder)
the files inside this are :
title.dat
mde_us.bin
manifest.bin
main.dat
ginxfer.bin
ginsu.ini
ginreset.bin
1st_read.bin
0gdtex.pvr

also another rar archive called roms.rar.. this is the same set
stream.mlt
option.pvr
moji01.pvr
manatee.drv
haikei.pvr

i unzipped genesis.zip.. put a rom in there ran selfboot adn didnt work.

then i tried the second set i have .. i unzipped the first folder and then the roms foldre then i put all the roms in the root folder and put a rom in there (a .bin one ) and ran self boot and still didnt make an image.

i tried to follow you guys /gals but i have a hard time understanding you..

i have burned sega master. snes, nes , colecolovision, spectrium, system 16 emualation all on the dreamcast and they all work fine. i have also burned about 3 draemcast games.. delta force one ikuargura super mag neo virtua tennis 2k2.. no i know how to burn .. and if someone woud give me simple step by step it would help me out a lot

I have selfboot.. dssbs final... nero disc juggler..

im kinda new to burning but i really would love to burn this sega gensis emulaotr.

can someone please explain how to do it like im a dummy?? cuz i really need simple step by step cuz im really new to burning stuff.

i read EVERy mesage on this post and i still dont understand ..

just SIMPLE SIMPLE english.. prentend im stupid.. and just tell me exaxtly what to do thank you..

A lot of ppl might still find this thread useful so......

Tiger uppercut!!!!!



And major laughter @ the english i used in it, btw


Oh and jeff, my selfboot homemade ver. acts exactly as u want it to. Choosing return to menu takes me to the main emu menu instead of the system menu.

I'm having the same questions as impact1357. Can someone give a dummy newbies guide to burning a selfboot for this emu? Or create a sbi to make it easier or something? I'm really confused.
Thanks for the help.

hahah newbies lol
 

Haha thanks to this thread, this newbie only wasted 6 CD-Rs on segagen LoL. Great work guys, and many thanks to echelon, obsidian, lemek, and the rest of the geniuses!

i remember wasting a few cd's on this until i found the proper lemec selfboot files then it was easy :)