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Joe Forster/STA 16-06-2005 08:10

@LoxHazard: the nerva user on this forum can't be that Nerva admin on the Starforce forum: that Nerva has style and proper grammar, this one has neither! ;)

LoxHazard 16-06-2005 08:46

True ;) , maybe i wrong with this.

Then, that Nerva from Staforce forum excuse me for comparation.

Anyway, there is an interesting thread in starforce forum, and is in the correct forum, of course:
http://star-force.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3

coffin filler 17-06-2005 11:36

Quiet simpily SF can alter,interfer,with settings within other CD/DVD copy programs ie. Clone,Alcohol,Nero etc. which can in some cases make it impossable to Burn some other protected game Images etc to DVD/CD. If It can mess things up to that extent (without a warning on the Packaging) Then its easy to see why people lable SF as a "Virus type" program because it dose things you do not agree to (or are even told about). There is to much myth about SF within some forums. So many people have looked at this thread but not done as the heading suggests (StarForce Petition).

StarForce Boycot 18-06-2005 14:53

No more starforce for me.
 
:mad: I do not like that I cannot make a backup copy for my game. I do not want to buy it more than once. I did buy Splinter Cell 3 because I did not know it was protected by Starforce. I will not buy any Starforce proctected games. However, if a good crack becomes available for the game that I am interested in and I can verify that the crack works, I will consider buying it.

thebluegr 20-06-2005 23:26

More information about StarForce:
The drivers that Starforce installs in your system are a likely security breach!
Quote:

Starforce drivers, installed in your system, grants ring-0 (OS core) privileges to any code from ring-3 (user level) - in this case any virus or trojan can get OS privileges and totally control you on your system. (...) Do you know, why some Protection Technologies (and similar) ignore [Microsoft's] conventions about safety and trusted code for execution in system level (ring0 )? They even modify ntoskrnl.exe (SwapContext function, for hooking system scheduler) . Look for evidence in their code - what you think, why they did'nt sent their drivers to Windows Hardware Quality Labs (WHQL)? One answer: their code ignores any safety and quality policy on operation system level (including granting system privileges to any user-level process).
http://www.starforcemeat.tk/

StarForce 3 protected games will NOT run under Windows XP Pro 64:
http://www.planetamd64.com/lofiversi...php/t6881.html
http://wiki.planetamd64.com/index.php/GamesOnWin64
Update: StarForce 3.5 has x64 support:
http://www.cdrinfo.com/forum/tm.asp?m=111681&mpage=1

Updated list of Starforce protected games from all the possible sources I could find - please update the list in the first post with this one :)

Quote:

- 1944 Battle of the Bulge
- 7 Sins [3.4.71.19]
- Ace Saga
- Afrika Korps VS Desert Rats [v3.3.31.21]
- American Conquest (Russian)
- Anstoss 4
- Area 51
- Army Men (Russian)
- Asterix & Obelix XXL
- Beyond Divinity
- Blitzkrieg Rolling Thunder [v3.4.50.1]
- Breed
- Chaos League
- Club Football 2005
- Codename: Panzers Phase One (3 CDs) [v3.3.37.2]
- Codename: Panzers Phase Two
- Codename: Outbreak [12-10-2001]
- Colin McRae Rally 2005 (DVD) [v3.4.49.1]
- Cossacks: Back to War (Russian)
- Cossacks: European Wars (Russian)
- Cossacks II Napoleonic Wars (2 CDs) [v3.4.65.11]
- Counter Terrorist SF Fire for Effect (DVD) [v3.4.71.19]
- Creature Conflict The Clan Wars
- Cross Racing Championship
- Cycling Manager 3
- Cycling Manager 4 [v3.3.36.1]
- D Day (2 CDs) [v3.4.41.1]
- Dead to Rights (3 CDs) [v3.3.37.26]
- Demonic Speedway (Poland)
- Domination
- Etherlords
- Etherlords 2 (2 CDs) [v3.3.31.21]
- Fair Strike (2 CDs) [v3.3.33.3]
- Fire Department
- Fire Department 2
- Gadget and the Gadgetinis
- Gangland [v3.3.36.1]
- Garfield
- Gooka – The Mystery of Janatris
- GTR FIA GT Racing game (2 CDs) [v3.4.70.2]
- HOMM 4 (Russian)
- Horse Race Manager
- Icewind Dale 2: Heart of Winter
- IL-2 Sturmovik (Russian)
- I-Ninja
- Kill Switch (2 CDs) [v3.3.33.8]
- Korea Forgotten Conflict [v3.3.27.36]
- LMA Manager 2005
- Magna Carte (Korean)
- Magnamedia (Russian)
- Maximus XV: Abraham Strong Space Mercenary
- Medieval Lords
- Might & Magic 9: Writ of Faith (Russian)
- Narsillion (Russian)
- Obscure (1 DVD) [v3.3.36.1]
- Pac Man World 2 [v3.3.30.11]
- Pax Romana [v3.3.30.11] (no information available)
- League Manager 2005[v3.4.50.1] (Spanish)
- Postal 2 Apocalypse Weekend
- Pro Rugby Manager 2
- Psi Ops The Mindgate Conspiracy
- Psychotoxic
- Rally Championship Xtreme
- Real Madrid Club Soccer (DVD) [v3.4.50.1] (Spanish)
- Rendezvous 3 (Russian)
- Restricted Area
- Scrapland (2 CDs) [v3.4.50.1]
- Second Sight
- Seventh Seal (Asian)
- Shade Wrath of Angels [v3.4.53.0]
- Shtyrlits 3: USSR Agent (Russian)
- Siege of Avalon (Russian)
- Silent Hunter III [v3.4.71.19]
- Silkolene Honda Motocross GP
- Singles [v3.3.33.6]
- Singles 2
- Sniper (Poland)
- Soldiers Heroes of WWII [v3.3.36.1]
- Splinter Cell Chaos Theory [v3.4.71.19]
- Still Life
- Street Racing Syndicate
- Sudeki
- SuperPower 2
- Tennis Masters Series: Battleground of Champions (Asian)
- The Black Mirror (2 CDs) [v3.3.27.36]
- The Fall Last days of Gaia (2 CDs) [v3.4.63.3]
- The Heroes of Three Kingdoms (Asian)
- The I Of The Dragon (Russian)
- The Kreed [v3.3.27.36]
- The Moment of Silence
- The Suffering (2 CDs) [v3.3.37.2]
- Toca Race Driver 2 (1 DVD) [v3.3.35.2]
- Trackmania
- Trackmania Sunrise
- UFO Aftermath ( 2 CDs) [v3.3.27.31]
- Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun [v3.3.30.5] (no information available)
- Virtual Skipper 3
- War and Peace
- Will of Steel
- WWII Frontline Command [v3.3.0.26]
- Xpand Rally [v3.3.x.x]
- Xuan-Yuan Sword 4 (Asian) (no information available)

Changes
=======
- Juana De Arco [v3.3.36.1] ----> Joan D'Arc, protected by SecuROM New / CD-Checks
http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games...n_of_arc.shtml
- The Entente [v3.3.37.26] ----> protected by CD-Checks
http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games..._entente.shtml
- The Black Mirror ----> updated StarForce version, correct is v3.3.35.1
http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/games...k_mirror.shtml
- Updated Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun with the proper English title
http://spacetarget.com/games/pc_victoria.shtml
- Updated some of the unknown games
- added some more games

Grumpy 21-06-2005 00:00

@thebluegr
Nice work on the list. I have updated the list in Post 1 with your updated list. Once again, very nice work indeed. Thanks. ;)

Lundholm 21-06-2005 16:30

@ Grumpy

Very nice initiative m8.. Petition signed :D

coffin filler 22-06-2005 03:48

A little off topic i know (sorry Grumps :) )

Anyway im wondering where all this is going, As in how many devs etc are going to be protecting the new games with SF. I mention this because as im sure many of you already know some of the new releases are NOT SF protected. I wonder what the thinking by devs,publishers etc is as regards to what protection they choose to go with. Cost is im sure one major factor but what else ?. Im finding it hard to work out why some of the new releases are not SF protected. I would like to belive its because the people who decide what protection is to be used are not so sure about SF and the reported problems acossiated with it. (i would realy like to think its because there afraid of some legal suit which may come about in the future and because of that they dont want to leave there selfs open in any way). (yeah well i can dream cant i ?). Well here's hopeing SF is not the way forward and the Dev's,Pub's have woken up to that.

knothead 23-06-2005 06:18

Area 51 Is It Really All That Bad????
 
:confused: :eek: HEY GRUMP; Bought that AREA 51 about a week ago and have been reading ALL the things that its supposed to do or is going to do.. HAVE Not OPENED THE BOX YET and I really don't want to' because I just formated this thing from the last run around with I DON'T KNOW what. loaded a game FAR CRY played it for a bit beta it and then checked the online bank account and it redirected me to A Place that wanted me to refresh ALL MY PROPERTY'S EVERYTHING INCLUDED.. Only way to get it gone was FDISK IT....reinstall and I have seen that far cry was and is STAR FORCED.. I AM BOYCOTTING ALL THESE GAMES THAT ARE STAR FORCING US TO KEEP REBUILDING OUR PERSONAL COMPUTERS.. SO I WILL SAY KEEP IT UP CAPT. AND SOCK IT TO EM.. If I open it then I am stuck with it//WAL MARTS THING YA KNOW. Waited 4 months for it get to CD rom and then find this ****e( CRAPA ) outa.. thanks yall for just posting these results as I do know how to read it's the typin thats a Killin me.. Thanks yall for BEING HERE THIS TIME.. SHES A GOING BACK TODAY.. Tried to find the cd rom crack and game copy world site has been giving me a WHOLE lot of probs with POP UPS and TROJANS even minor VIRUS'S.. THANKS AGAIN YALL HANG IN THERE AUSTRALIAN GRUMPY DUDE.. I'll Have a FOSTERS FOR YA TONIGHT........GREAT POSTED FORUMS THIS WEEK IS THIS ONE TIME FOR A STICKY I THINK... :confused: :mad: :mad: :confused:

knothead 23-06-2005 06:24

Like Drugs Just Say No Star Force 3,2,1,all
 
:mad:
Quote:

Originally Posted by TippeX
having the right to make a backup copy and physically being able to do it are two totally different things all together, the industry protects the industry, no more, no less, as a consumer you really have zero rights

STAR FORCERS ALL SAY IT SUCKS TO HAVE TO F-DISK IT BECAUSE OF A D&*^*&^ M GAME...I AM BOYCOTING ALL THEIR GARBAGE and learning to type and spell.......... :mad: :mad: :mad: :confused:

coffin filler 25-06-2005 08:25

@ Knothead... Far Cry is not SF protected. I own that game and if i remember correctly its Safe disk v3 protected. I wont have ANY Star Force protected game installed on my PC .

10823berlin 28-06-2005 06:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy
@ Whacko
May I suggest you go and read the forum rules! This site is not to help you choose which games to 'download'!
People like yourself are the reason these type of intrusive protections are released!! Games are expensive in every country, what makes you think it is ok to download games just because you cant afford them!
I cant afford a Rolls Royce car but it doesnt mean I can just steal one! Developers etc work very hard to release games, so you will have to work just as hard to be able to purchase them! You obviously can afford a broadband connection therefore you can afford to buy games!
Enjoy your upcoming ban from this site! :mad:

Hi,

I just would like to say that I neither have any moral problems nor I dont understand your agression to this Indian guy! He lives in a Third World country and you tell him to waste lots of money for some ****ing games which generate some fun for very little time. You didnt make the rules so dont play the judge here! I guess that my computing knowledge is quite limited to all of you specialists here and I even didnt know that copy protections are running like trojans in the background - but I honestly have very little moral problems of being a software PIRATE. When the software or movie associations present their statistics of financial damage caused by internet piracy they assume that every stolen game or movie is a product which the thief would have bought if there would exist a technical solution of stealing it. (I appologize for my poor English - my German is better;) So in their statistics I am a person which would go EVERY day to the cinema and I would go to my game dealer TWICE a week if I couldnt have the possibility of downloading movies or games. What a god damn stupid mendacious logic! As a mixture of being a student and a self-employed I know about the illegal character very well. But playing games for me is just like testing them. And 80% of these games i quit playing early and I would kill myself if I would have bought them! I absolutely do not accept the price system for this service and 60 Dollar for a game which i quite in 80% before finishing is unacceptable. (Software is more a service than a product!) If the developpers would be clever they wouldnt waste lots of money in programming copy protections which gets cracked anyway. They should answer the global privacy with new ways of payment. Like a "pay per play" or something. What they do is strategically wrong. Battlefield is doing it in pretty good way. They offer infact a online game. You HAVE to buy it if you want to play it. Thats everything I got to say. And if some people here want to ban me now: Do it. I give a ****.

Grumpy 28-06-2005 06:50

@10823berlin
I am not having a go at 'Whacko' because he lives in India! I had a go at him because he clearly did not read the forum rules! True i did not write the rules but without these rules this site would be swamped with all sorts of questions regarding warez and piracy which in turn would put this great site at risk of possible closure! I enjoy this site and I enjoy all the friends I have made and met here. I dont want Fileforums to disappear.
To use the excuse he lives in a third world country is Lame! He can afford his broadband connection!
To say you only download games to test them is just nonsense! Surely you have heard of game Demo's! I also know for a fact you have Game Rental Shops in Germany! Why cant you rent a game for the purpose of testing, if you then like it you can buy it! The shop I rent games from will even take off the price I payed to rent it if I decide to buy it.
And with Battlefield 2, not everyone wants to play a game online! And as far as 'Pay per play, I have already stated in a previous post that I would much prefer the Steam Activation method than Starforce!
Read all the posts before you comment on what I write to others! Unlike you I will still be a member tommorrow! ;)

10823berlin 28-06-2005 07:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy
@10823berlin
I am not having a go at 'Whacko' because he lives in India! I had a go at him because he clearly did not read the forum rules! True i did not write the rules but without these rules this site would be swamped with all sorts of questions regarding warez and piracy which in turn would put this great site at risk of possible closure! I enjoy this site and I enjoy all the friends I have made and met here. I dont want Fileforums to disappear.
To use the excuse he lives in a third world country is Lame! He can afford his broadband connection!
To say you only download games to test them is just nonsense! Surely you have heard of game Demo's! I also know for a fact you have Game Rental Shops in Germany! Why cant you rent a game for the purpose of testing, if you then like it you can buy it! The shop I rent games from will even take off the price I payed to rent it if I decide to buy it.
And with Battlefield 2, not everyone wants to play a game online! And as far as 'Pay per play, I have already stated in a previous post that I would much prefer the Steam Activation method than Starforce!
Read all the posts before you comment on what I write to others! Unlike you I will still be a member tommorrow! ;)

About my testing thing, you know for yourself that demos dont give a good overview of the game. At least not for me. I also didnt want to masquerade me like "I am a tester" or something. And regarding the prices for a broadband connection in India: Maybe you can tell me how much they are? You seem to know about it....Aha, just for your (all the people which buy cd´s/dvd´s and talk about bringing it back to the shop) information: Believe me that buying a cd or a dvd and going back to the store and changing it cause it doesnt work in your standalone players doesnt work in Germany aswell. If the box is opened, they will just say that you obviously had the possibility of making a backup which means that they wont give you back your money.

leezer3 28-06-2005 12:04

@ Nerva- Would you define a virus as something that interferes with your proper and legal operation of your PC (IE. Busts SATA dvd drives?)
That is precisely what Starforce does- Also, they caused my PC to permantly BSOD to the extent of a FDISK- Tech support not interested!

I rest my case.

-Leezer-


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