i sure hope you aren't trying to compare securom, starforce or safedisc for that matter to crap like armadillo, themida and asprotect... doing so would really show you havent got a clue about prots.....

Now TippeX, Asprotect and Armadillo and Safedisc might be crap, but I have a certain warm spot in my heart for Themida (and a legit license to boot :D ) so I would like to argue that when Themida is used properly, it can be as effective as the afore-mentioned CD protections :)

@TippeX: StarForce BOUGHT ASProtect, so it's not "crap" ;)

Thats not necessarily because of protection quality... could be they wanted tips on licensing, or compression...

Hehe. They bought it for the virtual machine ;) Lately they've been owned by the scene groups. We'll see what the next version will bring up-front :D...

..... thats just stupid. Asprotect VM is nothing special, never was, and I was under the impression that SF had a ring 3 VM from looooong ago. Besides, anyone and their mom can crack Asprotect :rolleyes:

True. Perhaps they've found something interesting, some hidden potential in it that only time will reveal :D I'm not so sure you can reverse with ease ASPR v2.4 SKE (yes, it does exist)...

No I'm just a stupid noob who struggles to unpack cexe with debug.com. But thats not the issues here. The point I am trying to make is that the SF devs would have to be retarded to fall down to the security level of ASPR.

Here: http://www.star-force.com/protection.phtml?c=83&id=1097

Anyway, this is going too far, lol. Stick to main thread - S.T.A.L.K.E.R. :D Sun, out...

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I've never denied that Aspr was purchased by Starforce.................

Just in case you were looking for tips on "why the devs would buy such a thing" ;) Chillax...

I might be retarded, but I don't see a single thing in that article where Starforce is saying why they bought ASPR...

man.. again not trying to be offensive.. but from this little discussion its clear you have no idea what your talking about sunbeam (u slip back into that old habbit of chatting shit that noobs would be scared of when u drop names here and there but ur not dealing with noobs and you make yourself look VERY silly).. as tippex says your trying to compare protections that are generations behind game protections, such as armadillo.. are u so niave to think that these arent a young crackers FIRST port of call? ive reversed (NOT CRACKED that would imply distribution) all of the protections you have mentioned above and your trying to compare them to the complexity of STARFORCE thats just nonsensical.. ALL i ask is that u show a little proof.. shit.. id settle for a nice sd3 explanation of what its actually protected by.. how the encryption routines work, and before you go on about well, i might not know what it does, ive got dlls i created to reverse and dump doom3 so unlike you with all your talk i can prove what ive done. SHIT!! id even settle for an edited DLL (im sure u will find which one) that removes the debug protection, which is actually ur first task in the reversing process, get this far.. ill be super impressed.. and this ISNT cus its SHEEP asking u to do it.. its as simple as u backing up ur own bullshit of (ANYTHING I WANT TO DO I CAN!!!) so go to it mitnik.

hehe, anyone who really knows me , knows i dont give two fucks about what anyone else thinks of me or my grammer or absolutely anything, so your telling me that because there is no apostrophe there you cannot comprehend what it says?..uh-ho no apostophe..must go no further ..stop!! call the grammer police..ha! :rolleyes:so funny man, if the only think you can get me on is a few missing commas and apostrophe's then iam doing ok :p

I didn't play Doom 3 (ever). I don't do grammar, it was aimed at a different thing - when people report flaws in your work, you ban them (or was that just cuz I am sunbeam the noob?). "Anyone who knows you" - you people act like a retarded closed-up invite-only "community". Whenever one of you says something, there's 3 others to back that one up, even if 100 others think you are awfully wrong. caki, stop twisting my words, and just read the article - it might not state why they bought ASPR, BUT IT STATES they did BUY it - which is the first thing you doubted when I opened the discussion T_T. Seriously, why would a game protection company buy another protector's patents? Just for fun?...