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@LoxHazard: the nerva user on this forum can't be that Nerva admin on the Starforce forum: that Nerva has style and proper grammar, this one has neither! ;)
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True ;) , maybe i wrong with this.
Then, that Nerva from Staforce forum excuse me for comparation. Anyway, there is an interesting thread in starforce forum, and is in the correct forum, of course: http://star-force.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3 |
Quiet simpily SF can alter,interfer,with settings within other CD/DVD copy programs ie. Clone,Alcohol,Nero etc. which can in some cases make it impossable to Burn some other protected game Images etc to DVD/CD. If It can mess things up to that extent (without a warning on the Packaging) Then its easy to see why people lable SF as a "Virus type" program because it dose things you do not agree to (or are even told about). There is to much myth about SF within some forums. So many people have looked at this thread but not done as the heading suggests (StarForce Petition).
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No more starforce for me.
:mad: I do not like that I cannot make a backup copy for my game. I do not want to buy it more than once. I did buy Splinter Cell 3 because I did not know it was protected by Starforce. I will not buy any Starforce proctected games. However, if a good crack becomes available for the game that I am interested in and I can verify that the crack works, I will consider buying it.
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More information about StarForce:
The drivers that Starforce installs in your system are a likely security breach! Quote:
StarForce 3 protected games will NOT run under Windows XP Pro 64: http://www.planetamd64.com/lofiversi...php/t6881.html http://wiki.planetamd64.com/index.php/GamesOnWin64 Update: StarForce 3.5 has x64 support: http://www.cdrinfo.com/forum/tm.asp?m=111681&mpage=1 Updated list of Starforce protected games from all the possible sources I could find - please update the list in the first post with this one :) Quote:
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@thebluegr
Nice work on the list. I have updated the list in Post 1 with your updated list. Once again, very nice work indeed. Thanks. ;) |
@ Grumpy
Very nice initiative m8.. Petition signed :D |
A little off topic i know (sorry Grumps :) )
Anyway im wondering where all this is going, As in how many devs etc are going to be protecting the new games with SF. I mention this because as im sure many of you already know some of the new releases are NOT SF protected. I wonder what the thinking by devs,publishers etc is as regards to what protection they choose to go with. Cost is im sure one major factor but what else ?. Im finding it hard to work out why some of the new releases are not SF protected. I would like to belive its because the people who decide what protection is to be used are not so sure about SF and the reported problems acossiated with it. (i would realy like to think its because there afraid of some legal suit which may come about in the future and because of that they dont want to leave there selfs open in any way). (yeah well i can dream cant i ?). Well here's hopeing SF is not the way forward and the Dev's,Pub's have woken up to that. |
Area 51 Is It Really All That Bad????
:confused: :eek: HEY GRUMP; Bought that AREA 51 about a week ago and have been reading ALL the things that its supposed to do or is going to do.. HAVE Not OPENED THE BOX YET and I really don't want to' because I just formated this thing from the last run around with I DON'T KNOW what. loaded a game FAR CRY played it for a bit beta it and then checked the online bank account and it redirected me to A Place that wanted me to refresh ALL MY PROPERTY'S EVERYTHING INCLUDED.. Only way to get it gone was FDISK IT....reinstall and I have seen that far cry was and is STAR FORCED.. I AM BOYCOTTING ALL THESE GAMES THAT ARE STAR FORCING US TO KEEP REBUILDING OUR PERSONAL COMPUTERS.. SO I WILL SAY KEEP IT UP CAPT. AND SOCK IT TO EM.. If I open it then I am stuck with it//WAL MARTS THING YA KNOW. Waited 4 months for it get to CD rom and then find this ****e( CRAPA ) outa.. thanks yall for just posting these results as I do know how to read it's the typin thats a Killin me.. Thanks yall for BEING HERE THIS TIME.. SHES A GOING BACK TODAY.. Tried to find the cd rom crack and game copy world site has been giving me a WHOLE lot of probs with POP UPS and TROJANS even minor VIRUS'S.. THANKS AGAIN YALL HANG IN THERE AUSTRALIAN GRUMPY DUDE.. I'll Have a FOSTERS FOR YA TONIGHT........GREAT POSTED FORUMS THIS WEEK IS THIS ONE TIME FOR A STICKY I THINK... :confused: :mad: :mad: :confused:
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Like Drugs Just Say No Star Force 3,2,1,all
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@ Knothead... Far Cry is not SF protected. I own that game and if i remember correctly its Safe disk v3 protected. I wont have ANY Star Force protected game installed on my PC .
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I just would like to say that I neither have any moral problems nor I dont understand your agression to this Indian guy! He lives in a Third World country and you tell him to waste lots of money for some ****ing games which generate some fun for very little time. You didnt make the rules so dont play the judge here! I guess that my computing knowledge is quite limited to all of you specialists here and I even didnt know that copy protections are running like trojans in the background - but I honestly have very little moral problems of being a software PIRATE. When the software or movie associations present their statistics of financial damage caused by internet piracy they assume that every stolen game or movie is a product which the thief would have bought if there would exist a technical solution of stealing it. (I appologize for my poor English - my German is better;) So in their statistics I am a person which would go EVERY day to the cinema and I would go to my game dealer TWICE a week if I couldnt have the possibility of downloading movies or games. What a god damn stupid mendacious logic! As a mixture of being a student and a self-employed I know about the illegal character very well. But playing games for me is just like testing them. And 80% of these games i quit playing early and I would kill myself if I would have bought them! I absolutely do not accept the price system for this service and 60 Dollar for a game which i quite in 80% before finishing is unacceptable. (Software is more a service than a product!) If the developpers would be clever they wouldnt waste lots of money in programming copy protections which gets cracked anyway. They should answer the global privacy with new ways of payment. Like a "pay per play" or something. What they do is strategically wrong. Battlefield is doing it in pretty good way. They offer infact a online game. You HAVE to buy it if you want to play it. Thats everything I got to say. And if some people here want to ban me now: Do it. I give a ****. |
@10823berlin
I am not having a go at 'Whacko' because he lives in India! I had a go at him because he clearly did not read the forum rules! True i did not write the rules but without these rules this site would be swamped with all sorts of questions regarding warez and piracy which in turn would put this great site at risk of possible closure! I enjoy this site and I enjoy all the friends I have made and met here. I dont want Fileforums to disappear. To use the excuse he lives in a third world country is Lame! He can afford his broadband connection! To say you only download games to test them is just nonsense! Surely you have heard of game Demo's! I also know for a fact you have Game Rental Shops in Germany! Why cant you rent a game for the purpose of testing, if you then like it you can buy it! The shop I rent games from will even take off the price I payed to rent it if I decide to buy it. And with Battlefield 2, not everyone wants to play a game online! And as far as 'Pay per play, I have already stated in a previous post that I would much prefer the Steam Activation method than Starforce! Read all the posts before you comment on what I write to others! Unlike you I will still be a member tommorrow! ;) |
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@ Nerva- Would you define a virus as something that interferes with your proper and legal operation of your PC (IE. Busts SATA dvd drives?)
That is precisely what Starforce does- Also, they caused my PC to permantly BSOD to the extent of a FDISK- Tech support not interested! I rest my case. -Leezer- |
@10823berlin:
Game demos DO give a good idea about what the game is about. Each game takes years and a group of programmers to make, something which you obviously don't respect. I'm not saying that I have bought everything that's installed on my PC, but I have bought a lot of software titles that I really enjoyed playing (Splinter Cell 1-3, Need For Speed Underground 1-2, Far Cry, Half Life 2 to name a few). Movies "generate some fun for very little time" as well, but I do go to the cinema. You can't just pretend to be poor, I've been a student, I've worked at the same time and still had money to go to the movies once per month and to buy a good game every 1-2 months. As for game testing, you can always get the demo from a magazine or from the company's site, and yes that's usually more than enough to see what the game looks like. And you can still rent games from a video club. And in UK, you can return a product you didn't like (game, movie or music CD)... Finally: nobody said that you HAVE to buy EVERY new game or movie that comes out. Noone forces you to do so. You just buy the stuff you like. That's why demos and trailers exist... |
The key to end this war?
1) produce good quality games; Money doesn't grow on trees so develop good games and you have my bucks! otherwise go harvesting carrots! Thats why game developers should have their respective public forum to ask customers what they want from the new incoming game, maybe even using them as beta testers. 2) lower the price (20 euros): The price will be lower enought to be stupid to dwl a warez version, so the customers of original game will grow and no protection will be needed at all! we are about 60 million people around the world, get only 1 milions x 20 dollars=20 millions dollars!!! is enought for writing a game? (no other costs see below) 3) buy online and download it: No more intermediaries between developers and customers, if a game could be sell at 20 euro, at the shelves cost 3 times more!! so you can be able to download a PERSONALIZED copy of the game, in your language and with an embed mention to who is the owner of such game (e.g.: this copy of the game belongs to etc etc, thanx for buying etc etc) let people customize what they purchase, let it be unique! 4) I really think that is my right to try-before-buy, so release ALWAYS a fully enjoyable demo version of the game (ID software docet!) before the final game, i have to know if the game is REALLY as CoOL as shown in the magazines or in the internet gaming site reviews. but this will never happens, there is a weird project.. and al this projects leads to the same reason.. MONEY! Antivirus: they are free.. you can use it freely but you know why? because in the future you will pay for it for sure! antispam: same as above Internet Game servers browsers: same as above cheats website: same as above and so on.. even the cracking tools have a cost! so why this mess should end? naaa... too many people earn easy money... and my opinions is useless.. just like yours. :o |
1. They do this already, and most publishers/developers do have beta testers.
2. Even if the game was $5 people will still steal/download the games, cause they are fat greedy feckers. 3. A good option, for the broadband people, people with 56k may miss out. But, then comes the Steam idea, they would have to protect the game via a steam like app, or else someone will get the game and sell to pals for $5 so they can play it. |
I feel Starforce ruined one of my Sata drives in my raid0 array a while back on this computer. I've heard that this can happen if you have raided drives but I have no way to prove this is what happened to my drive. The drives were just a few months old and after I installed the game called Scrapland, the problems started and then one of the drives developed unrecoverable errors and turned to scrap just like the name of the game.
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@ DABhand
I don't think that, if ALL gamez had low prices, people would continue to download them. I feel sick when I see dl links to gamez which cost 15 euros, but I understand (NOT justify) the motives of those who download games which cost 50-60 euros. There are too many games, too much similar, nobody obliges us to buy everything, it's true, but if a game would last one month (= approx 30-45 hours), 40 euros (not 50 anyway) would be an honest price. 90% of games last max. 20 hours, it's not possible to include in this type of considerations the online gaming 'cause it's not a "quality" of the game, it's a mere possibility. However piracy is not so dangerous as they want us to believe, it hurts small software houses leading them to give up but the big ones (EA, Ubisoft and so on) still have big income as they are able to "recycle" their preceiding gamez without offering any of really "new". So don't worry, I don't think they will ever know what is poverty.... |
In my opinion there are some more reasons that people DL warezed Games. Not only for the price. I´ve no need to dl such games, my wife has a games store so i can test or play the newest releases. But i can say its more comfortable to play with cracked versions. It´s extremly annoying to type endless Cd/dvd keys, 2 or 3 times reboot the system, waiting for verification the protection, hear spinning the Cd/dvd device while my playing session, the boring questions for registration the game, cancel for more and more games the fuc**** "Gamespy", watching minutelong boring Intros - in some cases without chance to break it - , and so on. I just want to install a game, remove my CD/DVD and start playing simple. For me the only reason for using Gamefixes from GCW or other pages.
And i´m sure, this could be an reason for DL warezed games. They are much more comfortable, smoother and sometimes more stable. Here´s the point for the games industry to learn. If somebody spend 50.- Euros for an game, he has to got an userfriendly product and not an bull**** like starforce and Co. Tijay |
Most people that downloads games are from latin america, the main problem here is that games never reach to our stores... I would like to walk a few blocks and buy the cossacks 2 or any new game that have been released in europe and USA, but here in this ****ing far away country on the southern part of america games never reach.
I I go to a store they only sell a sims game or an AOE!! Its too sad that some countries are left out of a certain market, here a customer is almost forced to download a warez game... Hopefully Ive joined e-bay and bought the new cossacks, but I have to wait that the seller sends it by an expensive mail company which will double the price of the product... So ones again the poor and undeveloped countries have to pay more in order to buy legaly. |
@ acha...Whilst you have my sympthany due to not getting good games released in your part of the world there are still "other" ways to obtain games without resulting to warez!! One simple option is to buy from a reputable source (many on the www) where by you can order almost any game and if you are to young or dont own a credit card you can pay with "pay pal" etc. Of course this will result in extra charge for postage but its not a massive hike in the original price. Also its not just the poor and under developed countrys that cant buy certian games as i myself (UK) had to buy a game called Enclave online from another country as it wasnt being released over here. I could of easliy downloaded a warez copy of the game but i am one of the few (mabey even a fool) that tries to support the dev houses etc that are responcible for brining us these great (and sometimes crappy) games. (i have a fast connection with unlimited usage and download size but i choose to buy it with my hard earned £s. Anyway this is getting off topic (as its a thread for SF ). (its just i see so many lame excuses where people try to justify there warez illness ;)
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So let me see if I got this staright...
Ubisoft has installed a secret program (without my authorization) that can cause some problems generaly asociated with a computer virus...If I were american I would SUE THE F**K OUT OF THEM! How dare they do that? I bought a legitimate copy of their damn game and they treat me like a thief the have to keep tabs on? Maybe the starforce is also a troyan which is secretly spying on my files too...at least steam let you know what you might be getting into....I´m in too, Boycott Starforce! I own a Pizzeria, and it´s like saying that you are not responsable for someone beign foodpoisoned because of your food, because nobody forced them to eat it...you hold a responsability to your customers. And in NO WAY is the use of starforce covered in those in the agreement...because it´s not only a troyan (insalled without warning or notification of it´s consequences), but it can cause damage to your PC and interfer with it´s operation...so by this rationale, publishers could include troyans & even more delightful virus in their games, and nobody would be accountable for it but the end user....I´m one of the idiots who paid for a legit copy of their game....but I sincerly hope that those looking for the cd fix can come through and then "distribute" their damn games all over the damn world! HACK THE PLANET! |
sign me up for the protest.... And about piracy... Yes many (maybe too many) people are downloading/burning the game illegally but as a matter of fact those games really cost too much... By loverin the prices the pirecy would Slowly dercrease. I dont think, that it will dissapear (at least not now or in near future), but surely it will decrese a bit and game companies will still have their profits... I dont think, that the costumers(aka pirats) are the only greedy people in this bussyness
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boycott, yes. but to all those who own the games that use sf, take the game back and say its faulty, if the shop says why then say the sf protection wont let me load it, what can they say even if has been opened, after all you cannot copy sf games.....
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industry is money and so if a big enough dint is made in the profits of SF protected games the dev,s,publishers ect ect will get the message eventualy but we have to stick with it,see it through and there needs to be a larger amount of people refusing to buy SF protected games than there curently is. (in all honesty though i belive myself to be in a very small minority when not buying SF protected games which is bad news for the consumer as it gives out the message that we the consumer will tollerate anything so long as we are able to buy the games which begs the question as to what is the next thing we have to endure??) |
Starforce WILL burn in Hell
I fully support the petition to boycott SF games.
I had the "privledge" of having SF F*ck up my system (aka BSOD) and after removing it ...POOF bye bye BSOD i also looked up the term "virus" at webopedia.com....heres a snipet from it.. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Virus - www.webopedia.com "A program or piece of code that is loaded onto your computer without your knowledge and runs against your wishes. " ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm...does anyone think that this remotely sounds like StarForce? Or maybe I'm just paranoid... |
From now on I will boycot Starforce games. As a father of 3 kids I suggest to all parents to think twice before buying a Starforce protected game. I fully support this petition in all ways. I also have a small suggestion. We write on the cigarettes "It is bad for your health". Why shouldn't be write "It is bad for your OS" on Starforce protected games' case?
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Burn StarForce burn!!!!
I fully support the petition to boycott StarFoce games.
I will never again buy a StarFoce protected game. Never. |
Total support from me, too!
I use a Notebook with a Teac DL DVD Burner - NO CHANCE to run Cossacks II or the 1.4 Version of Silent Hunter 3. I will NEVER waste my money for a StarForce Game! Greetings, Sascha |
Starforce ****ers should be slaughtered like pigs....
I have been waiting for years and much patience for the release of silent hunter 3, and finally I purchased it....
But i didn't know what Starforce is... I found it out, when I entered this site to find more downloads mods e.t.c. I have to confess that I play this game, so I am risking breaking my computer down... But this game is like drugs.... Once you've played, you want more and more... :( . But I really want to get rid of Starforce... I won't ever buy any other game with Starforce, but this I thin was the game of the century... By the way, in my country (GREECE), illegal copies can not only be downloaded, but also bought from local shops!!!! So if those Richasses wanna stop piracy, why didn't they take care of this ****???? But if piracy stops, protections are useless, so protection creators don't wanna really eliminate this problem... What I wanna finally say is: Can't we complain or even go the PUBLISHER TO THE COURTS???? I think it's not allowed distributing a virus-bug with a software, is it??? I would love to see Ubisoft bitches paying a fortune because of having Starforce in Silent hunter 3. Probably there is sth we can do, except for boycotting, right???? ;) |
I never will buy or play a further StarForce-Game. Installing DRIVERS for a COPY-PROTECTION?? Not with me. I've got better things to do than waiting some hours for starting a game.
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Of course I won't stop buying StarForce games. There are very few things I just plain don't understand when it comes to making No-CD's for my games. StarForce is one of them. I barely understand it as it is, and if I stop buying the products attached to it, I'll never figure out what makes it tick.
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starforce messed up my computer i will never use an application that uses it again
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i will not ever purchase i starforce protected game ever again as i believe that silenthunter 3 disc destroyed my nec dvd drive + how do i make my backup so the original is not damaged? A** Hole game companies!
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Starforce is a program used to intimidate the general public to the software companies way of thinking, if no one can use a Nocd crack then there must be no piracy, as we all know this doesn't work. :mad:
It crashes your PC causing bad feeling and hardware issues, all the software companies are doing is alienating themselves further from the public, and therefore the public will push back financially. I for one will not be buying Starforce protected games anymore, and I encourage others to make up there own minds, but be prepared for people to say TOLD YA SO!! |
Have you considered that it does bad things, if you try to circumvent it, i.e. try to fool it or work around it?
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