Ahh good didnt want to come over and slap you with Whitey, hes awfully fat to carry about :P

@sheep: I say only this - FindWindowA (that's like 1998) and WriteProcessMemory(?) in a DLL (gc.dll). Keep on digging in that "room" of yours. Took you guys a while to ban me :)

@TippeX: No need to prove anything, man ;) Just by reading some of your posts one would see how high your bar is. True sometimes a post doesn't reflect reality, but when you got like 1.733, it's out of the question to doubt it ;)

haha, trying to point out redundant code in something as mind numbingly basic as a trainer already shows what a complete fuckwitt you really are, and yes findwindow is old.. thats because my trainer code hasnt changed in about 10 years, the fact you DONT know why i use writeprocessmemory inside my dll also made me laugh out loud, if you tried training something once in a while (from this fucking era) and stopped wasting your life on these forums (and games NOONE PLAYS!!!!) then you may understand why.

I make no attempt to cover my code or my hacks because to me these things are so fucking easy i dont think its needed, if i wanted to protect my stuff then you can beleive that assholes such as yourself wouldnt be able to have access to them, (gc.dll) hahah.. he knows my dll name.. well i think im dealing with a genius here..

pathetic.. last words to a moron who ASKS to be banned from a forum then comes back as a different name, nothing more needs saying.

Without taking sides: gentlemen, cool down, please!

I'm training what I can (based on my PC's computational powers) and am not looking for glory as some of you do, then rebel when people point out flaws in your code and ban them for that fact. Regarding the ban, it was about gamehacking.co.uk :D Anyway, stop being a hypocrite ("my trainers are never protected, so people can learn from them" <- haha - and how do you propose to learn, eh? by watching the design?). I can care less what's the reason for your API in the dll, but I know that once injected, a mere bp on WPM in game's memory breaks in the dll. I dare you to protect your stuff AT LEAST ONCE in such manner that the noob that I am can't decode crap in it. Why protect it? Simple - you can't learn from it anyway, cuz you bitch about it...

And what's wrong in training old games? You think everyone plays 2007 games nowadays? Hell no. People want hacks, trainers etc. no matter how they can get or use them. We complain that we don't like how options are trained or whatnot, when gamers can care less. The moment I get a decent PC, I will train 2007 games. Till that moment, drop the subject, cuz it's pathetic. It's like being a "PC racist"...

@Joe: Sorry, I'll cool down now :)

@ joe.. yeah no worries mate..

@sunbeam... fair point.. im not one to show off about having the latest pc fads because ive always been 3 steps behind everyone else in my upgrades, if you cant train todays stupidly power hungry games because of ur pc's lack of power then its not fair to bring that up as an insult. I enjoy kicking people but not when they havent got the means to defend themselves, in this case it being a good pc for u to train something new. I hate people who show off about having super computers, means shit at the end of the day if you dont have the talent to use it, this doesnt apply to gamers of course just reversers. Anyways.. im done with the silly insults.. life is far too short.

Don't take this the wrong way, sheep. But I kinda saw some humanity in the above post :D But yeah, not trying to be rude or something, do try to protect something of yours and let me have a go at it. I'll even record what I do to pass the protections. I mean it for fun, not for proving anything. Not being able to train the games the way you do (the sick way) doesn't mean I can't do other things :D I'm trying to evolve a bit - latest trainers I made are in C++ (I admit I learn from old sources and update the code with new methods, and I'm not lame to deny that I do get help from people that CAN CODE :D - plus I can share the code if anyone wants it - see DFX trainer in this section...). The only thing I regret though is not being able to play BioShock (love System Shock 2 to death!) *sniff sniff*

Problems with protections are time (lots of time to develop a good scheme fit for ur purposes) and compatibility.. tricks used to gain access or control to create better protections are becoming fewer with each OS(just look at all the bullshit securom and starforce had because of compat problems with complex schemes). Its hard enuff getting people to use your trainers on the right version let alone having a thousand people complaining because its crashing their systems, i have atm no way of testing any protections i could create on multiple platforms which i see as a major flaw and wouldnt put out a product i didnt know was 100%. There are thousands of utilities that protect your programs from debugger use and dumping etc etc.. perhaps ill use one of those one day soon to see how compatible they are.. and if u can get past something as basic as that THEN i will look into my own protections.. though i must warn u it wont be soon.. last time i tried protecting my trainers i ended up spending 9 months with a group of virus coders , i wrote a few tutorials actually, wish i could fine them on the net :( (if u really want to protect ur stuff virus code is the place to start) unfortunately its a HUGE!! and VERY VERY interesting place to be and u can easily get lost in its methods.. to the point where i nearlly gave up training to pursue virii (non malicious of course). One of my favorite methods to stop people bping etc was to use their respective vectors to store data that would be corrupted by any outside influence thus rendering the program useless. At the moment ive got a lot of catching up to do.. im about 70% done coding my new site.. and still need to start training something :) but u have sparked my interest again in the old protection issues.. we shall see how things go and hopefully ill have time in the near future.

Yep the old Olly dumping trick wont work if Sheep whacks on some decent protection :P


And ive seen your DIB tuts floating about sheep, along with a few of the older games, like AoE2.

He should progress with the "heavier stuff". Only problem is it involves too much writing and it's freaking dynamic, since the method would definitely change from game to game, thus spawning more questions from people that read the tut than answering them :) It's all good though. And DAB, no one said I have to dump something to be able to reverse stuff. Target's already unpacked in memory, and if that doesn't help, you can also work your way to its loading and take notes. Another way - inlining, baby :)

Sorry for the big-ass off-topic O_O....

i tell u what.. show me u can reverse the securom protection (which ive done) and explain to me ur methods.. and then ill take u seriously enuff to want to code something u couldnt break. I suggest one of the newer versions as it would be closer to methods id use to protect my work.

Sounds interesting. Full rebuild or Fairlight/Reloaded method? :P

EDIT just saw the "reverse", not crack.

@sheep: Haha. Expected you to be this incisive :) Nah, have never dealt with SecuROM, but same thing happened even before other protections I mastered. People telling me I can't break this and that, and with enough drive and dedication, I did it. My aim isn't game protections, but software ones. Am not making NO-CDs, but cracks/inlines/patches :) Just cuz you're sheep isn't enough of a motivation to start up analyzing SecuROM (messin' with you :p) If you've managed to break SecuROM, then try some others - Armadillo, Themida, ASProtect (recently bought by StarForce) :)

@caki: Sure, jump on my back ;) Hold tight though :D

Just remember Sun he can have anti-debugging code running at the same time the trainer is running, or ran withing a debugger itself.

Then you cant have a peaksies at what is lurking about :P

Unless........

...you can run a driver and forget about your worries ;) Give him more ideas, he's going to compile them in one big dedicated CrackMe. Love CrackMes...

Bah, again with the off-topics T_T :D