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IceBreaker 07-08-2003 18:19

Eureka
 
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Blindwrite uses something called autoplay, which tells its driver to hide atip. In both alcohol and blindwrite, you require some external program to be installed.

So I wuz right hehe :cool: : there IS some "sort of" program loaded in memory, such is the case in all dynamic emulations...

Machina 07-08-2003 18:24

The fact is the the ORIGINAL copy of the game DOES work from a burner WITHOUT any external software!
If a 1:1 copy cannot function the same, its no way 1:1, but I guess we are talking who defines what 1:1 is...
A working copy, even not a 1:1 is fine for me!
Anyway, thanks for support guys - great tool!

So, there is no way to make a 1:1 backup of BF1942, that would be 101% same as the original CD!

Yeah, that makes me feel bad about something loaded into memory, I might uninstall BlindWrite, I want my extra Kb in RAM, even though I got 512Mb of it :rolleyes: .

IceBreaker 07-08-2003 18:37

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The fact is the the ORIGINAL copy of the game DOES work from a burner WITHOUT any external software!
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Big surprise... :D :D :D
That's the least one can expect, non?

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Originally posted by Machina

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So, there is no way to make a 1:1 backup of BF1942, that would be 101% same as the original CD!


But there IS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

As I said before, all U need is:
- a reader capable of reading pregap - 'tis the case with the Litey 52246S
- a software that can handle it: BW,Discdump,...


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Yeah, that makes me feel bad about something loaded into memory, I might uninstall BlindWrite, I want my extra Kb in RAM, even though I got 512Mb of it

Don't uninstall BW, sacrebleu :mad: ! It CAN backup safedisk 2.8 1:1 and thus U won't need any emulator

Besides, even if I do like to make 1:1 copies (a question of complacency, or pride perhaps arf arf :D ), I prefer to mount an image on a virtual drive & run the game - spares the hassle of having to insert CD.

Machina 07-08-2003 18:47

I use NO-CD cracks for that, thats why I am in this forum!

Well, as I said, I DID make an imagine with BlindRead and burnt it with BlindWrite, but the only reason it works is BECAUSE there is a file that runs in the memory, etc!

Once you have BlindWrite installed, almost any game will work, it loads that .sys file!

IceBreaker 07-08-2003 19:00

In Blindwrite we Blindly trust...
 
That .sys file only deals with the ATIP issue, Blindwrite does NOT have built-in active emulators (weak sector emulation, physical media info, Laserlock emulation, pregap emulation, etc...)

So your backup really IS 1:1, and if it works in your burner it is not only because the .sys file hides the ATIP, but also because the original pregap of the CD-ROM was successfully copied by BW.
To confirm this, you can uninstall Blindwrite and launch the game after inserting your backup in a reader (not burner, cf. ATIP!) that can read pregap (ie. recent Liteon DVD-readers?), so that the game can check for pregap: you will see that with the BW-made backup, the game will still work, even though the BW .sys file is absent...

Machina 07-08-2003 19:03

No, see, what I am saying that a PERFECT BACKUP would work JUST as good in a burner as the ORIGINAL COPY!
But, it does NOT, even with BlindWrite copy, WHEN IT IS UNINSTALLED and that .sys file is destroyed.
That makes the copy a NOT PERFECT COPY!

IceBreaker 07-08-2003 19:06

Now that's strange indeed, if true :confused:

Have you tried (with BW uninstalled of cos') running the BW-backup in a reader (not a burner)? It should work, normally...

Machina 07-08-2003 19:09

Yes, it works in a normal reader, I don't know anyone who has a pre-gap reader :( , only burner.
So, my point is, there is no such thing as a PERFECT 1:1 copy with SafeDisk that can read ATIP.
If you won't hide ATIP - a burner will NOT read a "perfect" copy (if there is no external emulation), YET it WILL read an ORIGINAL CD!
Unless, they make SPECIAL CD-Rs that have some special ATIP recognition, or something...

Machina 07-08-2003 19:10

BTW< BW leaves the .sys file and it is still being used EVEN if its uninstalled, it has to be manually deleted. Then, suddenly, a BW copy won't work in my burner.

IceBreaker 07-08-2003 19:22

ATIP top
 
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there is no such thing as a PERFECT 1:1 copy
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This is obvious: actually, what I mean by '1:1 copy' is an exact copy except of course for the ATIP, which is read-only. Thus a CD-R(W) will always be a CD-R(W) :p So even a 1:1 copy won't work in a burner without a background 'ATIP-hiding' prog...

A burner capable of writing into the 'ATIP' area of a CD-R so as to fake it (ie. mark a CD-R as a CD-ROM) would be a most interesting idea indeed, however this would call for perfectly blank CD-Rs, ie. without even an ATIP - such media are not available as yet, at least for the average user...

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BTW< BW leaves the .sys file and it is still being used EVEN if its uninstalled, it has to be manually deleted. Then, suddenly, a BW copy won't work in my burner.
Thx 4 the info, for I never knew that - so uninstalling BW does not remove it completely. Interesting indeed...

Machina 07-08-2003 19:24

LOL, a lot of stuff is being left behind after uninstallation, thats why there are RegCleaner and EasyCleaner and other "cleaners"!

IceBreaker 07-08-2003 19:31

Sticky progs
 
I know - in fact, reg cleaners are often insufficient, that's why I often use a FILE/REGISTRY TRACER such as 'Installwatch Basic' (freeware) that runs in the background during installation/uninstallation, especially when installing shareware, which often add "secret" entries into the registry - a sh*tload of 'em sometimes - which are left behind even after program removal.

I hate such sticky progs grrr :mad:

Machina 07-08-2003 19:42

Yeap, well thanks for support! We both learnt a few things!


I am off creating CD-Rs and CD-RWs without ATIP, and patenting them :D .

IceBreaker 07-08-2003 19:50

Afterburners
 
Good luck :D

PS don't forget the burners that can write on 'em hehe... ;)

gh0sth@cker 08-08-2003 02:35

Just to clear up on the ATIP discussion...

It's not relatively new - it was first introduced around Safedisk 2.4 if I remember.
Pressed CD's (originals) do not have an ATIP. An ATIP is only on CD-R's as it is needed by the burner to find out the dye type, manufacturer, length etc before burning. Pressed cd's dont require to have an ATIP and don't have one.
Thus Safedisk does a simple check during loading for an ATIP - if present it shows you the door.

It's only a secondary protection of course due to it only being effective in burners.

ATIP checking can also be found in Securom games.


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