ALL you guys should keep in mind, "It is against the Forum Rules to ask or supply original files that are obtainable from the original Discs!!
You could all very well be banned from using this forum again!!

I' am not so sure about this because firstly keep in mind the patch was 50+ megs, the bin difference is 2 megs. Secondly for the game to work when the .bin was replaced indeed means that certain new protection algorithms or subroutines must have been within this file... or another file dependent on this file as Legend pointed out.
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im not sure i think the patch isnt affecting with the replecment of the old .bin file.
but at least it working, but i wont play untill the offical crack or mini image or whatever is out, i dont wanna lose the fun of the game.
where can i see the version?(i mean ingame)

If you watch the patching process, you'll see that 99% of all the patching is done for all of the different languages, and I think that's where most of the 50 megs are.

It is true that the BIN file contains the copy protection, but that doesn't mean that's ALL it contains. Tons of games have .EXEs that contain both the copy protection scheme and many functions of the game itself.

Put it this way... if that BIN file doesn't affect anything other than the copy protection, then it's the worst patch ever created, because not a single thing in the list of fixes for the patch is fixed.

Yes its possible the bin contains other things. Looking at the other files it seems much of the game information may indeed be in this file. A good way to test this is for someone to install the patch and watch the directories as the patch is patching and seeing what files besides the .bin and the language files is changed. /common/misc is a candidate.

Unfortunately I don't forsee anyone releasing a fix to this problem because most people believe (especially the crackers) that an image works for all patches... but this is simply not true. In other words... don't hold your breath.
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hey,

I'm new here, but I also have a question that I can't solve with PON.

I have the unpatched version.

I installed daemon

-mounted the image
-all emulation options on
-exit daemon
-clicked yes on leave on emulation options enabled

Opened Sr7.stop_1.0

-click hide
-quit sr7.stop

I start up PON and I still always get the error
"Original disk could not be found or authenticated"

Is it also the same with you that the Matrix3W32S.bin keeps on autorunning and autorunning to start up the game until it almost freeze your pc?

I can each time click an "ok" button after i get the "Original disk could not be found or authenticated" error, but it keeps on comming back.

Once I got into the game after clicking ok, I changed resolution and stuff, got trown out and since then never got back in...

What unpatched image?

No unpatched game, I stil have the 1.0 version so the 1.01 patch can't be the problem.

I used the neo-mini as image

Ok Ok, youve confused me..

Unpatched, all you have to use is this..


Sr7Stop
Daemon Tools

(When installing daemon tools you have to rename the bus drivers during install... Then after installing you enable all emulation and mount the image, go back and goto the same option for mounting an image, at the bottom you will see properties. Goto this and change the top 3 options, Vendor,etc to something else.

After which you run sr7stop, then close daemon tools from taskbar saying yes to keep emulation running. It should play this way.

Or you can try Anti-Blaxx.)

Thx for the quick answers.

I thought the problem was with renaming the busdrivers, becaus that was the only thing I hadn't tried.
I reinstalled daemon, renamed busdriver. Renamed those 3 options you were telling about (also did that before the reinstallation)

but still nothing...
I already tried anti-blaxx earlier this day, but also with no result

Found this posted on another forum

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To get this to work with the patch using only the game mounted in Daemon Tools and some registry modifications:

1. Find the 'Scsi Port #' key under HKLM\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\SCSI\ that corresponds with Daemon Tools (look at the Driver key for the Daemon tools driver name.) Either change the permissions to Deny everything for your user or group, or change the Driver value here to anything else. (Securom will look up the driver in another part of the registry so it doesn't fool it if you're not using the default Daemon Tools driver name.)

2. Find HKLM\System\MountedDevices and locate the registry key that corresponds with your virtual drive. For example: \DosDevices\G: is mine. Rename this key to anything else such as \DosDevices\G:.backup. Make sure that you do not deny any permissions to MountedDevices, otherwise Securom will indicate that a security module couldn't be activated.

3. Find HKLM\SOFTWARE\D-Tools and change the permissions to Deny everything.

If you still get the message about a security module that couldn't be activated, either you are denying permissions to something in the registry that you shouldn't be, you have another virtual drive program that it is detected whose presence you'll need to hide, or it's complaining about some other active program. For instance, if I have Regmon or NewsLeecher open, Securom complains. Why Securom would blacklist a Newsreader I don't know.

By the way, this worked for the latest FEAR patch as well. Some of these registry changes are reverted when you reboot and need to be reapplied. The change that hides D-Tools will prevent Daemon Tools from loading so make sure it's already running and change it back as necessary.

UPDATE: If, when you installed Alcohol or Daemon Tools, you kept the default names for the drivers, you'll need to uninstall and reinstall the software. This time, choose your own names for those drivers, because Securom is hard-coded to look for the default names. I uninstalled Alcohol and reinstalled it in expert mode (minus the StarWind iScsi service), choosing some random names for the drivers. Then I took the same steps I did for Daemon Tools (this time denying permissions on HKLM/Software/Alcohol Soft instead of HKLM/Software/D-Tools) and it worked.

Can anyone confirm this method?
Also, the last "UPDATE:..." part is not clear. In that part you say you will have to re-install for instance Daemon Tools and assign a new name for the virtual device, but you can change the name in step 1's registry key and also in HKLM\SOFTWARE\D-Tools, which clearly reads the virtual drive's name.
So if we re-install daemon and assign another name, then step 1 is useless, right?
Also, if we deny the premissions, do we still need to reinstall and change the d-tools driver name?

Please someone try this and answer.

Can you post a link to where you found this?
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I actually had this working for awhile, then I rebooted, set the permissions again, and it stopped working....

I found it here:
http://www.mgforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43012

You had it working? then please, let me know:

1) Did you re-installed daemon and renamed the virtual drive, or did you just follow the 3 steps intructions??

2) On that forum link you posted (namely the original thread where this new "instructions" came from) I noticed some user said:

"By the way guys who have the game bought cant play it after the patch too Same problem....."

So the people that are playing it right with the original retail disk are having problems too?
That is weird, I thought it was only the case with backups.

If this is true, then atari will have to release another patch.

So please reply.

Followed the instructions exactly, step 1-3 except instead of modifying the permissions on Daemon Tools, I modified the permissions on A120

I dont have Daemon Tools installed.

And did it work?

Yes it works, its a pain to get it to work, but it does. And i did have to reinstal Alcohol and i did have to alter the reg again after restart.

And if you go to the forums of the game you can see all they issues that this patch caused, which was getting the game to run. But it doesnt realy have anything to do with our problems of getting it to run

please pepole open a thread for it we wanna talk about the prtection with the patch

from desperte, i used game jackel
it the far i come with is a message that saying somthing about cant audthincate(however) originl cd within time limit, try again?

any suggestions from here?

I also got it to work following those instrucstion, using DT 3.47. On step 1 I had to deny all permissions or it wouldn't work.

The deny permissions in the reg way does work.

I un-installed Daemon Tools & Alcohol 120%. I then deleted the reg entries for both under software. I also deleted all scsi port listings excluding the one(s) not related to either program - in the hardware section. Then I reinstalled 120% and ran the same procedure as mentioned above with regedit.

Game started up.

hi,

I tried all of your advices but my game still don't want to start without putting the CD in the drive.
I tried the newest Version of Deamon Tools and mounted both Images.
Then i used SR7.Stop_1.0.
Than i used Anti-Blaxx_1.18 and selected SecuRom and the game and all that and tried to start it but it always says there there is the wrong CD/DVD insite.....what's my fault ??

E: How shall I rename the busdriver names? What should I write instead of the standards?

You can change the names of the bus drivers during the installation, I don't think you can change them afterwards. What to change them to? Any name should do. ;)

any name? like "aaaa" or something?

yes

but I used all mentioned tools but the game still wants the CD/DVD....I used the European Version 1.0..
What's my fault?

Do this and it will work, I GUARANTEE IT. I have tested it and it works. But its CRUCIAL that you use DAEMON TOOLS and when you install it you RENAME the virtual devices. The default names are "d347bus" and "d347prt" I think. Just rename them, and then do the 3 steps above.
To sum it up:

1. Fresh install of DAEMON TOOLS and rename the virtual drive (both names must be different from each other).
2. Go to HKEYLOCALMACHINE\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\scsi , and find your virtual device port number (there are usually 3 ports, and the virtual one is USUALLY number 3, it should read your virtual device name, if you named it "demon6", then you should see it there). DONT CHANGE THE NAME, just do the deny everything in permissions.
3. Do the same (deny everything) in HKEYLOCALMACHINE\SOFTWARE\D-TOOLS.
4. Go to HKEYLOCALMACHINE\System\MountedDevice and rename the virtual drive letter (mine is G: for instance) to G:.Backup.

Then the game will start.

Only problem is - you lose your registrey settings AFTER a re-boot - or am I the only having this problem?

another issue with mounting the mounteddevices key... try this if you dont believe me...

if you (like me) have usb sticks/usb drives/firewire drives/network shares etc.. blocking the mounteddevices will make attaching any unit fail, so all in all messing with the registry i think is a bad idea as it could cause various system failures, anti blaxx got a lot of crap about causing system problems in the past, perhaps a lot of the blame was due to this 'side effect'... food for thought i think, if you are going to mess with your registry, make a backup first always, and if you are going to add in usb drives etc after playing the game or whatever, remember to unblock the keys ;)

You can mess with the registry as long as you kow what youre doing, and you re-establish the previous values. If you comply with these 2 requirements, you will be more than ok.

isnt that what i said?;)

i dont get it
i denyed permission in the scsi
the d-tools
got alcohol removed!
and the monuted devices renamed,
and he saying that thing on the security module!.

do i need the advenced options? in the permission denying?

Security module msg appears when it has detected an emulation program..


Close Daemon and sr7stop so they arent running after activated.

hello guys..
I have a problem..When i pressed start in the game matrix path of neo, i saw nothing, only a black screen.The game wont start...
Please help what i must do now??

I still have problems:

1.I found 2 Ports but now how can I find my virtual device port number?
Plz explain in detail..^^

2.How can I deny the permissions? in the registry-editor? I have no Idea...

I changed "\DosDevices\F:" into "\DosDevices\F:.Backup" was that right?


Are you sure that all will fit to my European Version 1.0 ? Damn, I hope the German Patch is coming....and of course a working NoCD-Crack
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To change permissions in the registry, you don't simply rename things in Registry Editor; you use the Edit/Permissions... function instead. And don't rename the "DosDevices" entries because your drives will be lost (and it won't help with circumventing copy protections either)!

there a new daemon tools! 4...
now i get a replace cd....
damd

Same here.
Sr7.stop doens't even detect virtual drives or is this a new funtion in daemon 4?