tried it m8, i left my pc on all nite and when went in the morning it was still frozen!!

but you say this happens with all software, not tru it have never happened to me when using clonecd, but as has not been discovered this method only create dummy files :(

my dvd reads sub channels no problem.

So your saying nintendo used a different DVD type, that can only be read by a specific dvd rom? This would mean that theres almost no chance for anyone to copy GC games with a dvd-rom. DC uses GD's which only GD-roms can read. And GD-roms aren't too common, not to mention thet cost more than a dvd-rom does.


the original plans of sega was to depart more towards Microsoft. But going 3rd party would bring in more money. Which is probably why Rare is thinking about going 3rd party. There's so much competition, staying a GC inclusive wouldn't bring as much money. But going 3rd party doesn't mean they wouldn't stop making GC inclusive games. Thought, thats what everyone thinks.

Image o a GC game
 

Normally, a DVD-Rom don't read the GC DVDs.
But with this method it's "possible" to read them.
I created a image of the Super Monkey ball (1.56Gb), but it was strange that the lamp of the DVD drive did not blink as usual ? Strange isn't it ? But Clone CD crated a image of "something"

are you sure its not a dummy file?
Try compressing it - see how much it compresses.

One thing i noticed about GC discs is have a close look at the inner edge of the disc were the barcode is.
Now hold it up to the light...... and look at the barcode.
Its transparent! - you can see right through the barcode!

Thats why our DVD drives cant read the discs - Theres no inner edge for our DVDs to read!
so Where data would be on a normal DVD rom is a hole - Basically!

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This might sound a tad bit retarded but have you ever tried using a sharpie felt? so you can read the code? as one of you guys said that there seems to be a hole in the disk?

Well, I just got blindwrite, I heard if your cd drive is capable, this thing can read through almost anything. Next time I reboot my pc I will try it.

i had a old comupter with sony dvd drive(i still have it but don't use it anymore) which could read gamecube games( that mean that my computer wouldn't freeze) but when i would check the size it say about it is music file and about 4 mb big. and if i put xbox games, it say the same thing that it is music file and about 4 mb big(i tried halo)

I can read Gamecube games, and get a 1.56gb file from CloneCD. But I don't have a particually good DVD Reader, so I doubt I'm getting anything everyone else isn't already getting. I've heard people say that there are dummy files or whatever, how can I check the file to see if it is?

just try zipping the file with winzip and see how big it turns out

I get my 1.56gb Tony Hawks Image file turned into a 1.55gb zip file.

I also got a .sub file with the .img when I used CloneCD which I didn't mention, which is 65.2.mb

This is all from a Tony Hawks 3 disc, with a Pioneer DVD-Rom 117

thats quite interesting what version and settings did u use on cloncecd.

when u were creating the image file did u have the cloncecd log window open? sometime it will just create dummy data block but if u read the log it will tell you that

try again and have a look :)

"writting dummy secters" :(

Oh well, guess its nothing :)

Hi,

i backuped a gamecube game with CloneCD, i have a image
to 1.56GB and when i open it with isobuster i see one audio file to 1.56Gb is it normally ???

i have a DVD recorder Pioneer A05 and few blank Mini DVD's.

How can i record it ???

Sorry for my english but i'm french !!!! :D

Thanks for responses

i really adoubt it will be copied properly - if anything it will be a dummy file - If you hold your disc up to the light you will see it has a ring of data missing that normal CDs and DVDs have! Its quite impossible for a normal DVD reader to read a cube disc.

boot
 

what is the definition of boot? i mean where does it need to load to, after it does the gamecube thing at the begining with the blocks? because if you start your gc up without a disc in, it comes up on the screen with the memorycard edit thing. well when you start a game from there, it goes directly into it..

im not shur if this is what you need but its worth a try. =)

James

I think I speak for everyone when I say:

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i have a dvd burner, if some one knows for sure that this works let me know i will try it and see if it works, i have clone cd, and all of the other good ones.

OK guys, I am from the PS2 scene but I think I can help you. You are using CloneCD to read off the image and it comes to 73 minutes etc... That's you're problem. It only creates images from CD's - you can't use it for mini DVD. What you need is some dedicated DVD burning software. We use Prassi Primo DVD from www.prassieurope.com and the PX engine update with GREAT success! Try a couple of you're mini DVD's with that and it should work. Go to www.psxcopyworld.co.uk for some instructions on the program. Hope this helps you guys...

To do with the earlier Q: You can burn you're CloneCD image in one of the numerous ways listed below:

CloneCD creates ISO files so you could use Padus Disc Juggler, but ideally use NERO BURNING ROM as I know for certain that it has DVD-ROM support. Give it a go and let us know how you get on...

i'm a ps2 scener as well, and i was thinking just that :)

notice the name of the program........cloneCD.

try using Prassi PrimoDVD, RecordNow MAX, one of the latest Neros, or one of the latest DiscJugglers.

Discjuggler is a very versatile program, it might shed some light on the GC.

Prassi, Discjuggler etc. won't be able to read the gamecube games as they are in an encrypted format so even if you could read them they wouldn't write successfully.

Ever tried just doing a straight copy of a DVD Video without using Smartripper or DVD Decryptor first to unencrypt the disc ?.

PS2 discs are not encrypted so your methods work fine on those DVD's but Nintendo unfortunately have been a bit smarter with their copy protection.

The only way to read GC discs will be from the GC itself and transferring to PC.

ah

i guess thats what Enigma is trying to do

What sort of encryption does the GC employ? Cause encryption shouldn't matter one bit if you're doing a RAW copy... bit-4-bit, straight copy of WHATEVER data is on the disc, either a 0 or a 1 :)

Too bad CDRwin 3.9 doesn't work with DVD; I'd try doing a RAW read, ignoring errors, etc... just like the old PSX

You can make a bit-4-bit RAW copy of an XBoX DVD, and the only thing that'll stop it from playing is (I believe) a authenticity check to determine whether or not the disc is "original"- easily circumvented any number of ways.

Does fireburner work with DVDs? How about DiskDumper? Oh, and has anyone tried using a non-Micro$oft OS, like Linux... I've seen programs for Linux (I don't use it yet, I'm a loser I know...) that allow you change the tracking speed of the laser lens, for cripes sake! There's gotta be something there, yknow?

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Simple copying software is not going to work on the GC discs, if it did then ISO's would be everywhere by now. If simple RAW reading would get around the encryption schemes like CSS then why after about 2 years of DVD burning do you still have to rip movie discs instead of doing just a straight copy ??

Quite a few of the cracking groups looked at it and gave up and as far as i know only one managed to get ISO's but that was from sniffing the gamecubes internal IDE port and transferring to PC. There are some ISO's out there but not on general release as they are awaiting a modchip to be able to boot them.

One of the big hurdles to get past is the variable depth barcode that is on the disc as this is needed by the GC to be able to boot the discs.

Just be patient and you'll see some big progress very soon !!! :D

In a reply to another post on this site, someone (i forget who, sorry :) ) said that they measured the laser lens travel area, and found that it couldn't even REACH the barcode area... then they drew over the barcode with black marker and the game still booted normally...

and also, a RAW recording DOES work with what you're talking about... with my pioneer a03 DVD-R, if I get a DVD movie and do a straight 1:1 RAW copy, the resulting DVD-R will play perfectly in every DVD player I've tried... the only problem is that DVD movies are generally bigger than 4.7GB now, and the cost of blank DVD-R media makes it not worth my while... I could rent the movie for $5, and copy it for another $5, but I might as well buy it for $14.99

Also, I found some interesting stuff out since I've been researching about some new programs that are designed to circumvent newer protections schemes.... if anything works, I'll let you know ;)

Also, does anybody actually know what the GameCube really uses as its copy protection scheme? Share, will ya'?

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I know this is a little off topic but I think that in the next GameBoy, Nintendo should use the Mini-DVD in that too. What do you think? We might get wuite a good game out of one then...

The GC laser CAN travel far enough to read the barcode and if you mark over it the game will NOT boot. Lots of people were saying that the GC span it's discs backwards (anti-clockwise) but you only need to open up a GC to see that it's not true.

What most people don't seem to know is that there are two barcodes on the disc, You have a standard one near the centre (this one does absolutely nothing) and then the different coloured ring next to this is also a form of barcode as well (you need to look at it extremely closely) , this is the one that the GC needs to read.

So what program do you use to do your 1:1 RAW DVD copies ?

i believe that program would be 321 studios dvdxcopy

If it is then it doesn't do 1:1 RAW copies at all as it decrypts the disc first, removing the CSS encrytion.

DVD 1:1
 

When I make 1:1 DVD copies RAW, it's usually RecordNow MAX or DiscJuggler 4... works for all 4.7GB sized DVD movies and PS2 games...

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Hi i've got both a gamecube and a dvd burner (pioneer a104)

Trouble is after buying them im now skint, send me a small dvd and i'll let you know if it works.....

I ve tried doing a straight copy of a dvd movie trouble is there too big to fit on a 4.7 gb disc. i think the original dvd's are multi layered.
hence the reason for ripping to remove the crap you dont want subtitles french german spanish zwarheley languages to cut down on space..

Think Dreamcast.

The Dreamcast used a Format much like the GC games. SEGA's GD-Roms were also read from the outside of the disc.

I also dont think Nintendo is stupid enough to rely on their disc format as being the only protection. They should have learned from SEGA's mistake.

So the only way to get the data on GameCube cds would be to somehow make the GameCube a slave device and connect it to the pc, like they did with dreamcast?

yea thats right
also like the xbox too
but they also found some IDE ports on the gamecube
which could help..
but well see

Tried reading Luigi's Mansion JAP and Bioharard JAP with a Samsung DVD reader and a Pioneer 105 burner. Biohazard was simply ignored and CloneCD 4.2.0.2 hanged forever, Luigi's Mansion was accepted, but at he point of choosing DATA/GAME/AUDIO/ETC disc type, it spitted the disc out saying impossible to obtain informations from the disc (empty?).
Tried every disc type, always same result.
If I could make it read at least 1 game I could try burning it on a regular DVD-R, since I have Panasonic Q, which accepts regular size DVDs...

You dont be able to read it, no normal drive will. Somebody will have to use a modded gamecube and make a slave program similar to the one used on xbox and dreamcast to rip the games.

GC copy
 

Check out "www.blade.cc" it says that a dvd rom add on is going to be released and will work like the doctor64 which was used for the N64. :D

A DVD-Rom addon? And just where would you put that thing? The Gamecube already uses a DVD-Rom, its just made to only be able to read the smalldiscs. There isnt even space to put in a normal DVD-Rom withotu casemodding first.

Youre just trying to get people to buy junk from your site arent you?

Edit: Plus the prices on almost everything is WWWAAAYYYY jacked up. $120 for a pocketstation? $69 for a DC ddr pad?