View Full Version : Where do you get useable trainers these days?
spunkermonkey
05-11-2011, 11:51
Where can I get trainers that are NOT made by this CH/H4x0r bunch?
Basically I want trainers that WORK and that doesn't have all garbage wrapped around them..
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emptieness
05-11-2011, 14:04
how can we know if trainers are working for you or not? i assume that at least the trainers of the trainermakers are working for themselfes, otherwhise they wouldn't release their stuff. it would most likely help to report your errors to the trainermakers and to help them to improve their work.
but nonetheless dr.oLLe, HoG, dEVIATED, CheatNova and LinGon are pretty much good and solid trainermakers.
Joe Forster/STA
05-11-2011, 17:09
Where can I get trainers that are NOT made by this CH/H4x0r bunch?
Uhm, start by reading the Where to find Cheats/Trainers sticky?
I am going to suggest my team obviously -> dEViATED (http://deviatedhacking.com). We have been increasing our release activity which was the #1 complaint our members had and covering almost all major game titles so you should find trainers for a lot of new games. A trainer for MW3 and Skyrim/La Noir will be released within a week or two so you can wait for them. We are semi-paid though and do free trainers from time to time, MW3 will be free.
Well I am a gamer myself and when i can't be arsed to make a trainer myself, i use others. These are people i trust and have found their trainers working: Geri, Dr.olle, deltasomething. Oh and perhaps kemicza but he's fully paid now and i am guessing you want free trainers but he puts his best into trainers, was my team-mate before he left so i know him well.
I would NOT suggest Lingon and would tell you to stay away from him because he protects his trainers with VMProtect, blocks countries, most of asian countries,has a whitelist of countries in his trainers and i don't know put a lot of nasty/suspicious stuff in his trainers, his trainer NEVER worked for me. I never bothered to debug his trainers and thought he was just a fake after getting kicked from CES/gamehacking, until Sunbeam told me that he uses VMProtect.
If he feels the need to protect his trainers with a professional protector, block some countries and doesn't care it breaks his trainers for a lot of people, i wouldn't trust that guy one bit. He could be doing nasty stuff to my computer and i wouldn't know because to check his trainer, i need to learn VMprotect unpacking heh.
I stopped packing my trainers with upx because AVs flagged them as malware which was an inconvenience for most users and i have seen almost all good trainer-makers don't pack their trainers or use packers only for reducing filesize.
As for h4x0r, i don't know, their trainers worked for me but after they put the DRM bullshit, i never bothered even if theirs is the only trainer available. We were pissed off from game companies putting DRM crap and now we have to see DRM in trainers ? Seriously ? lol. I can bash them for like hours for doing this but another time maybe :p
skyrim trainer is kinda pointless, as there are cheat codes.. tgm, player.additem 00000f 200000
etc...
Well cheats usually flag you as cheater and disable some unlocks etc. Also, cheats don't provide all the functions trainers can such as super jump, teleportation which are pretty useful in games with larger maps.
I am going to suggest my team obviously -> dEViATED (http://deviatedhacking.com). We have been increasing our release activity which was the #1 complaint our members had and covering almost all major game titles so you should find trainers for a lot of new games. A trainer for MW3 and Skyrim/La Noir will be released within a week or two so you can wait for them. We are semi-paid though and do free trainers from time to time, MW3 will be free.
Well I am a gamer myself and when i can't be arsed to make a trainer myself, i use others. These are people i trust and have found their trainers working: Geri, Dr.olle, deltasomething. Oh and perhaps kemicza but he's fully paid now and i am guessing you want free trainers but he puts his best into trainers, was my team-mate before he left so i know him well.
I would NOT suggest Lingon and would tell you to stay away from him because he protects his trainers with VMProtect, blocks countries, most of asian countries,has a whitelist of countries in his trainers and i don't know put a lot of nasty/suspicious stuff in his trainers, his trainer NEVER worked for me. I never bothered to debug his trainers and thought he was just a fake after getting kicked from CES/gamehacking, until Sunbeam told me that he uses VMProtect.
If he feels the need to protect his trainers with a professional protector, block some countries and doesn't care it breaks his trainers for a lot of people, i wouldn't trust that guy one bit. He could be doing nasty stuff to my computer and i wouldn't know because to check his trainer, i need to learn VMprotect unpacking heh.
I stopped packing my trainers with upx because AVs flagged them as malware which was an inconvenience for most users and i have seen almost all good trainer-makers don't pack their trainers or use packers only for reducing filesize.
As for h4x0r, i don't know, their trainers worked for me but after they put the DRM bullshit, i never bothered even if theirs is the only trainer available. We were pissed off from game companies putting DRM crap and now we have to see DRM in trainers ? Seriously ? lol. I can bash them for like hours for doing this but another time maybe :p
First of all STN, What a pittyfull way to try to gain populatiry with talking trash about these other trainermakers.
first of all i know LinGon very well since i talk to him eveery ones on a while and second he was not kicked out from CES/Gamehacking
he decided he dident want to be apart of it himself and decided to quit, and his trainers are nothing of the kind of what you try
so hard to make people believe they are, this is a pure fail in your quest trying to make people dislike those who apparently make aloot better and more enjoyable trainers
then you can make yourself and posting about it like this only makes you look stupid.
Was it because LinGon turned you down as a buddie on youtube STN?
apparently he dicided to not mix himself up with people that trash talk him.
see it as ass kissing to gain more populatiry is not linGons style.
simply put you are a big fail STN and trying to gain more poplularity by trashing other trainermakers
like you are doing here with h4x0r and LinGon.
posting claims you have no facts to backup with. also i dont see how this is even tollerated let alone on this forum,
have this forum not hade enough of trash talking/wars, id leave it up to the owner Empire to say but
you STN a froum leader yourself should know better to not start any flame wars.
on here you are just treading on deep water my friend.
and remember who started it.
Joe Forster/STA
14-11-2011, 11:33
posting claims you have no facts to backup with. also i dont see how this is even tollerated let alone on this forum, have this forum not hade enough of trash talking/wars
Claims without facts to back them up are called "opinions" and they are part of free speech which we do support on this forum. You have your own opinion (you haven't backed up your claims with fact!) which is also fine. What is not fine is your style!
Also, as far as I can see, STN made some relevant points:
1. People who protect their executables in multiple ways may have something else to hide, too. (See malware downloads on fake warez sites for a good example. They sometimes not even get caught by virus scanners!) I'm not sure how good a fact this is but I know you know it's true: people who have nothing to hide should be trusted more than those hiding something. Let me give you an example... Ever heard of "security by obscurity" in commercial software? It does not work, it gets cracked eventually. Ever heard of "symmetric key cryptography" in open source software? It works because knowing the exact algorithm does not help you much with cracking the encryption in a reasonable amount of time.
2. DRM sucks, for any reason, in any form. Does this even need an explanation?!
You haven't answered my post in the other thread so I don't even know which side - if sides are disjunct in this topic at all - you are on. It is, actually, you who started flaming others in both threads (an example from the other: "these trainermakers just continues to show how pathetic they are"). We're interested in everyone's opinions but if you continue like this then you'll be banned soon!
emptieness
14-11-2011, 12:35
I have to say that I made the same experiences like STN. I once downloaded a LinGon trainer (it was for the Alice - Madness Returns game) and it didn't work at all. Can't judge about his other trainers. But in my opinion his way of counting his trainer options (set speed to 1 = first option - set speed to 2 = second option - set speed to 3 = third option) is just an other stupid marketing strategy.
STN - on the other side - provides quality trainers. Althoug I do not fully support his semi paid thingy, I support him and his work. He is really good at what he does. I tested some trainers written by him (AND REVERSED THEM [sorry STN]) and they where (as expected) working flawlessly.
Finally I advice everyone who searches trainer to download them from gcw. They collect for most games more then one trainer and if a trainer isn't working you can take an other one and make your own experience.
Claims without facts to back them up are called "opinions" and they are part of free speech which we do support on this forum. You have your own opinion (you haven't backed up your claims with fact!) which is also fine. What is not fine is your style!
Also, as far as I can see, STN made some relevant points:
1. People who protect their executables in multiple ways may have something else to hide, too. (See malware downloads on fake warez sites for a good example. They sometimes not even get caught by virus scanners!) I'm not sure how good a fact this is but I know you know it's true: people who have nothing to hide should be trusted more than those hiding something. Let me give you an example... Ever heard of "security by obscurity" in commercial software? It does not work, it gets cracked eventually. Ever heard of "symmetric key cryptography" in open source software? It works because knowing the exact algorithm does not help you much with cracking the encryption in a reasonable amount of time.
2. DRM sucks, for any reason, in any form. Does this even need an explanation?!
You haven't answered my post in the other thread so I don't even know which side - if sides are disjunct in this topic at all - you are on. It is, actually, you who started flaming others in both threads (an example from the other: "these trainermakers just continues to show how pathetic they are"). We're interested in everyone's opinions but if you continue like this then you'll be banned soon!
First threatning me with a ban aint that a bit childish to do like you put it while back?
for the part you dident get about h4x0r and CH i think it was clear enough as to what i meant.
Here goes more simply put: CH is more after your money and h4x0r he brings out free trainer atleast.
LinGon and DR.olle makes better trainers i my opinion.
That was what i was saying back when everyone
was more or less confused about my post it seams, well that was my opinion.
Now let me clearefy to everyone else why you Joe always takes the bennefitting parts here.
ofcourse who can blame you for not taking STNs back here when you his an affliant with your site GWC?
ofcourse you would take his part and start to threat others that dont agree with you.
its only normal behavior aint it?
Well also it doesnt take more then an idiot to realise why some of these said trainermakers takes messures to protect their trainers.
if you dont get that i can unfourtunatley not help you there. Its obviousy not hard to figure out why they do.
LinGon and h4xor and CH and the bunch aint new to this forum i believe and why they all protect their work is also very clear,
atleast to the avarage trainermakers that surounds this forum. the way to protect them could be discussed, but in a more appropritet way
perhapse, just plain out warning people to stay away from trainers you dont like is low style and very childish since it comes from someone
that apparently is a competitor.
What i was pointing out in my last post was that since you Joe yourself has probably grown tired of people
posting flaming others around, i dont see why this is more acceptable then anything else like say when CH or h4x0r is posting things.
Well you make your choice Joe, if you dissagree you can always use the ban hammer on people.
if that makes you more of a man then by all means do.
but then you just prove us all wrong with the part about free thinking and free to have ones own opinions.
you have a nice day sir!
Joe Forster/STA
15-11-2011, 07:59
I first asked you to rephrase slang in your posts in the other thread because h4x0r especially does not understand them - you surely knew that - and, as you can see, it resulted in a flame war without any real reason. Have you filled my request? Nope. Have I banned you? Nope. Have I banned h4x0r? Neither but, believe me, he got his warning from me because, although I understand his anger when people start bashing him, his way of answering provocations with provocations is not tolerated. (He already got banned for a few months once.)
Then I tried to reason with you in this thread, asking you to drop the attitude because it's not tolerated here - not against me, against anyone! -, but it was also in vain. STN wrote down his opinion in an acceptable style, you didn't. If you always have to insert personal insults into your discussion then you're on the wrong forum. We're, at least, trying to be very open-minded about opinions and I was interested in yours, too, but did you know that, on some other forums, you would've been banned the first time you criticized a moderator? (Actually, it's also in our forum rules but we don't enforce it, only against stiff people like you seem to be.)
We're not affiliated with CheatHappens, Deviated, h4x0r or any other trainer maker. Empire's principle - which you don't seem to know or, rather, are ignoring on purpose - is that it is in GCW's visitors' interest to offer as much stuff as possible. Yes, even stuff whose authors, distribution methods etc. we personally don't agree with. Why? Because visitors righteously don't give a fuck about our opinions, they only want free downloads which is what GCW has been providing for a decade and a half. That also shows our impartiality.
Have you seen me criticizing h4x0r's DRM? Have you read about my frustration that he wouldn't listen to me? (You haven't seen my similar PM's to him, though, and there were a lot of them! You also haven't seen our private correspondence with the other moderators.) Or are you ignoring those on purpose, too? If you think I'm banning people simply because they don't agree with me then that's a serious accusation. However, your questioning my competence as a moderator results only in a laugh from me because I know it's false and I cannot be bothered with such insults anymore.
As for protecting software, it is invariably always cracked. (The only exception could be when noone, not even crackers, are interested in a piece of software because noone uses it.) Devising extremely sophisticated protections only delays cracks but not inhibit them. You, with your opinion of protecting everything as much as possible, are on one extreme end of the spectrum; I, on the other hand/end, say: release the whole source and then, by definition, noone can steal from you, thus drawing the teeth of the problem so simply. (I already mentioned this before in one of our announcement.) I assume you won't comprehend the point of this but that's only because of your narrow-mindedness, which I can do nothing about except giving you such a lecture to ponder upon. And, yes, open source software also gets "stolen" (read: included in commercial software without releasing the full source, which violates the original licence, e.g. GPL) but curious people find that out, too.
As you can see, I avoided personal insults. However, I find it ridiculous that when I threat you with banning you for your style (not your message!) then you threat me with becoming a martyr, to be followed and worshipped by the poor other non-agreers, on the altar of free speech if you do get banned. It not only doesn't make me "more of a man" to ban you, I won't even raise my eyebrow because there will be nothing to be surprised about for either of us.
Finally, I have a strong déjà vu feeling. Isn't that you, DABhand?
You know what, i wrote a giant post about lingon and his history but as i just finished it, i feel like why the fuck do i care what he/you thinks. I can't please everyone, people who knows me/appreciate my work will ignore the bullshit so nope, i am not responding to you.
I will just ask you one question though since i am really curious. How come you know i sent Lingon a friend request on Youtube ? Youtube doesn't announce publicly that STN sent lingon a friend request so either you are lingon yourself or YOU ARE LINGON yourself :D!. BTW, i sent a request not because i like him or are a fan lol, it was because i wanted to send him a message and to do that, he had to be my friend first (privacy option in youtube). What message i wanted to send ? well its obvious, stop fucking using vmprotect and blocking countries because that is scary/suspicious and the latter being racist. Because i am asian/russian/[insert blocked country name], i can't use my trainers ?. This has to be more racist thing than calling someone nigger because you are descriminating whole continents and countries/races :eek:.
@emptieness: I wouldn't go into why i am doing semi-paid (i actually explained in my giant post) but it doesn't require much thought. To run a site with mediocrish traffic like DVT, you need money.
As for debugging my trainers, i guess its fine and appreciate you being honest about it. But i would have liked if you actually asked me directly, like i said in the trainer itself, i would give codes out if you ask me and feel the request is genuine/coming from someone who wouldn't rip my work but i obviously frown upon stealing. But its okay, thanks for letting me know, at least you aren't like others who secretly debug and publicly talk low of me/DVT or publicly don't appreciate my stuff like it is nothing. And i know of more than a few people.
I am going to watch Old school movie now, a romantic comedy since after seeing all the hate here, i need some love :p
Update: This is what i get on my youtube profile page
http://www.youtube.com/profile?feature=email&email=profile_comment_received&user=STNDV7&view=comments
ThatLinGon: You low life peice of shit STN, calling me a racist, on false grounds, and by theway told my friend you sendt me a buddie request incase your braincells dident get that.
take your kiddi trainers and shove them up your ass!
I can't imagine if i had posted my full post what his reaction would been. I win here.
And why would he tell his friend he got a buddy request and denied it ?. I mean who does that ? Its like telling your buddy i just cummed and the cum was white. lmao nope, you don't tell your friends things like this because that makes you look weird. So now what, LiNGON is social-retard too ? ouch
I am going to actually advise now, STAY AWAY from the guy. The way he is acting is BAD and i mean the real scary type of bad!
WTF, Lingon is now ripping videos too ?. Check this out
http://www.******************?v=lVrmUzTh2oI
This is the original video.
http://www.******************?v=qMlELsko4n0
Something to think about. I won't say what i am feeling right now but certainly not happy. Lingon is now the first member of dvt's official hall of shame
I know this might be taken down so i took the liberty of a snipe for proofs.
http://i42.tinypic.com/10zyexh.png
My only message to you Lingon: Visit DVT for my official message to you since that place isn't moderated and everyone can swear.
Thanks
@supermonkey
Google.
@STN and DavidKS
Good show. Haha. This made me laugh:
Was it because LinGon turned you down as a buddie on youtube STN?
apparently he dicided to not mix himself up with people that trash talk him.
see it as ass kissing to gain more populatiry is not linGons style.
Really LinGon is the type of guy who is posting it on FaceBook when he is refusing a friend request on YouTube?
"Dear World. Today I have refused a friend request from STN on YouTube. I have also disliked a video because it had a bicycle in it. I hate bicycles. And I also hate STN for his trash talking about others. Speaking of trash, the garbage truck just left my house. The truck hit a guy on a bicycle. I wish STN would have been on that bicycle. But no. He is more like the garbage man."
I mean STN was not the most polite and friendly in his post about LinGon's trainers and I have no idea if it was subjective or objective opinion about the trainers, but DavidKS should at least register on the forum with his own name if he wish to defend himself and not bragging about his achievements as if he would be just a diehard fan of himself.
KelSat is the only person left that makes functional trainers these days. h4xor is a childish and incoherent idiot that has resorted to inconveniencing us users with his even more idiotic DRM because of his vagina feud with the Cheathappens dingleberries. That would be fine and all if his trainers actually fucking worked. Oh, and don't you dare mention that one of his trainers doesn't work or he will ban you from his site. Oooh, we're just quivering in our panties! The guy's a complete and utter fucking moron. No, i am no defender of Cheathappens. They can all go fuck themselves as far as i am concerned.
uhm....your info is kind of outdated. Kelsat hasn't released for a lot of games lately and imo, there are other trainer makers that do a better job than kelsat. You didn't mention them.
I think we should stop talking about h4x0r because its a proven fact he's very stupid. Such a shame though, i like spanish people especially the girls.
there are other trainer makers that do a better job than kelsat. You didn't mention them.
Because there are none.
Joe Forster/STA
05-12-2011, 04:15
Well, if anyone knows good trainer makers then we should add them to the forum sticky anyway!
Well that is your opinion, and it is belittling others work and kissing kelsat ass one. But it doesn't matter meh, who are you lol, your opinion doesn't count.
shoo...go away
Joe Forster/STA
05-12-2011, 09:46
C'mon, be constructive! Give us a list of those worthy trainer makers to add the Where to find Cheats/Trainers; also about Promo/Demo Trainers post.
http://trainersgratisfy10.blogspot.com
delta10 is spanish and doesn't have a perfect english, but he is making working trainers.
Joe: I just did a visit to the thread again and you have all the good ones added. Not much trainer-makers these days or ones with a site. You might want to add delta10 site but its completely in spanish ? dunno what language but not english (Google transalte doesn't say which language). I think i have tried his trainers with varying success, can't recall really (his trainers are in spanish and you have to do some effort to understand his translations too)
http://trainersgratisfy10.blogspot.com/
Then there is another guy or team ? .. Phodosoft but fully paid (releases on cheatscapes occasionally), not a big games releaser but does one or two. Never used his stuff so i can't vouch for him.
That is all i think, i am not mentioning some others simply because they are too "unknown"/untested etc. and you as an authoritative place should only add the truly good ones. It'd make the list meaningless otherwise.
You don't need anymore anyway, for any title, you can always find either paid or free releases by CS, deviated, Geri (such an awesome work on Batman:Arkham City, +1), delta10fy etc.
I am not going to mention sicheats again because i tried their trainers like weeks ago for the sake of this thread (to maybe give him positive points if his trainers worked) and it did work for SR third after the painful DRM crap, however i just checked today and it won't let me login again even though i can login fine on the site. So fuck with this, if i can't get it to work, how do you expect an average newbie user to figure out whats wrong (i seriously have no idea still lol, im not banned from site unless h4x0r bans you from trainers separately and still lets you visit site). Was thinking of doing a drm bypass (already got the part where it checks for pass) but can't be bothered really, h4x0r would be sore about it and i am not in mood for any fights.
If you were asking/expecting a response from TwwIX, doubt he could give any useful ones, he is now using Cielos and Geri's trainer for batman (pretty happy with it) and all he praises is Kelsat. Contradictory much ?. Could it be Kelsat himself ?. You never know, we had Lingon as davidk earlier.
I guess i should try to do this too with my vast collection of VPNs, i could never be caught. Maybe there is some sort of fun in it ? :P
EDIT: shit, i need to not take so much time posting, geri posted before meh
Joe Forster/STA
06-12-2011, 04:47
I added the two trainer sites you mentioned. (Whether free or paid doesn't matter, that this list is supposed to contain good traine sites, independently of our personal opinions.)
By the way, Spanish is very easy to recognize: excalamation and question marks are repeated upside down (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_question_and_exclamation_marks) at the beginning of the (sub)sentence they belong to. ;)
cocodrilo
06-12-2011, 08:58
STN drm is very easy to bypass. I'm working to do a validation in offline mode, just waiting to zer0coder this guy is so slow. only for your information this validation is obsolete :).
I not have free time now, there will good news soon in trainers, web etc etc.
Why use validation at all ?. Unless your aim is to annoy your users, why do you want to use it ?.
Anyone who wants to steal your code can do so with ease. I stopped protecting my trainers after i realized it is pretty useless and also causes annoyance for users because AVs flag it falsely as virus becuase of the public packers. If big ass companies can't stop crackers from "raping" their products and we're talking about professional DRM here, how do you think you can stop anyone ?.
There are so many skilled people in gamehacking alone who right now could be laughing at your drm (and the upcoming ones) thinking how stupid it is, and i am just the only one to tell you publicly that it is shit.
This is just my 2 cents...and i could care less what you do. I am more worried about Skrillex and Tom Cruise death (http://deviatedhacking.com/index.php/topic/1276-skrillex-and-tom-cruise-dead/) :(
cocodrilo
10-12-2011, 03:04
Anyone who wants to steal your code can do so with ease. I stopped protecting my trainers after i realized it is pretty useless and also causes annoyance for users because AVs flag it falsely as virus becuase of the public packers. If big ass companies can't stop crackers from "raping" their products and we're talking about professional DRM here, how do you think you can stop anyone ?.
my trainers do not use packer. I see no interest in cracking something that is free.
can you remove the users registration in your forums? and stop selling trainers...
I can't, its my girlfriend's decision.
cocodrilo
10-12-2011, 06:43
no waste time in stupid discussions and please answer to my questions in the discussion that you started in this thread.
http://fileforums.com/showthread.php?p=399614#post399614
If you were asking/expecting a response from TwwIX, doubt he could give any useful ones, he is now using Cielos and Geri's trainer for batman (pretty happy with it) and all he praises is Kelsat. Contradictory much ?. Could it be Kelsat himself ?. You never know, we had Lingon as davidk earlier.
Kelsat's trainers never gave me any issues. Hence me "praising" him/her.
FYI i don't give a shit who makes the trainer as long as it is working.
It's a buggy CE table and not a trainer, anyway.
It's a buggy CE table and not a trainer, anyway.
whoa..i think i read something else in response to Geri's thread completely different than your response here.
Anyway, please stay away from my trainers, i do care what the user of my trainers thinks about it and if he doesn't give a shit that i made it, i get very pissed. This sort of attitude is typical of leechers and the reason why i stopped working hard on my free trainers, look at this for example ( youtube [dot] com/watch?v=wQxt6MDGOXY), that is a No Enemy option like in my BF3 trainer but its not in the free version. Could have easily made a 20+ but i am letting Kelsat take the glory..heh
Joe: I am done, you won't see any more post from me in this thread. Just let this one live.
Depends on what you call buggy CE table. As you can see in that topic, the game has a bunch of memory checks (unlike many other and older games) and even though they could be bypassed one by one, nobody has bothered with it. If you use the table as it was described, it should work perfectly. If you don't like it, don't use it. You can still use Kelsat's Arkham City trainer. If he has a working trainer for it...
On a side note, CE's stealthedit plugin is working perfectly fine on Arkham City (with a very small modification) and I use 6.2 + stealthedit to play AC. 100% crash free. But as most people are using 6.1 and not an upcoming alpha version, it would be totally useless to upload my script anywhere, even if it is working fine.
So if you don't like what Cielos has done, just don't use it. Make your own or use something else, noone is stopping you from making your own cheats (except the bunch of anti-cheat protections that are built in today's games).
EDIT:
And yes, I know that most users doesn't give a damn about those who are creating the trainers for them, but I don't see why is the surprise about the drop rate of free trainers when all you can expect is flaming if something is not working perfectly. You do something for free and you get flaming. It's a perfect business model...
thegrube
15-01-2012, 04:33
Isn't Lingon the one that makes you fill out some bullshit survey to get the trainers functional?
darkedone02
28-01-2012, 23:12
when there is a lack of a specific trainer for a certain game, I usually check out cheat engine.com at the table section, Geri, Recifense, MOP and other big and small time table/trainer makers make some decent to very awesome trainers, even to not-so-famous games like Europa Univeralis 3 and Hearts of Iron 3.
Desu[Shield]
29-01-2012, 06:46
If you're really itching for a trainer usage you can always use Cheat Engine directly. Takes awhile to learn how to use it but once you do, it's not that bad.
darkedone02
04-02-2012, 23:24
I only know how to apply AoB's for Flash games, but I don't find or tinker with them, just give me a AoB and I know how to add it, and basic search and find with instructions. I don't know how to make my own infinite health and Mana/ God Mode, or make a instant construction build, I just plainly know the basics and only search for a trainer/table that contains the contents that i am looking forward to.
Before i start - note to admin.. i have no idea why my account seems to be banned.. i stopped posting on this forum "about?" 2 years ago.. and i certainly didnt have a ban in the time before that, this is why i have created this one..
EVERYTHING!!! moves on... if we go back 10 years.. the trainer scene was a bustling, thriving environment with all sorts of colorful characters releasing for FREE.. infact the thought of selling a trainer was frowned upon and restricted only to those really shady chinese chappies who were selling online hacks for Runequest and the like..
These were the golden years of trainer making.. it forged a lot of good trainer makers who today are sadly not around or just not practising their art.. when a talent rose to show his metal he was quickly recruited by one of the SCENE groups around at the time.. and if you were really good you managed to catch the eye of groups such as FAIRLIGHT / CLASS / DEVIANCE / DIVINE etc etc.. we thought these days would never end.. THEY DID!!
What changed the course of this scene was mainly the busts that happened.. a lot of my friends and other sceners were given choices by the federal government to stop their trade or face serious time.. it felt like our battleship of a scene had been hit by a fucking meteorite and all that was left were a few of us clinging onto the remnants of the wreckage.. :(
EVERYTHING!!! moves on.. and so from this period (talking from a trainer makers point of view) we were pushed into another scene that was just in its infancy .. the web based cheat crews.. these little crews that rlsed absolutely DREADFUL!!!! trainers were popping up all over the place.. obviously the biggest being CES at the time.. id love to go into all the drama that went on back then but it would fill gigabytes of pages to get a real feel for these times.. once again.. this spawned a number of wonderful years releasing onto the net.. and once again.. ALL FREE!!
EVERYTHING!!! moves on.. and so we come to our current cycle of trainer releasing.. and really my reason for writing this little diatribe.
Currently we have a culture that are managing to profit from their good works.. obviously i have no problem with this as I have taken my fair share of this little "TRAINER PIE".. there are pros and cons to this new cycle that i have thought about at length..
I guess the main PRO and something that is a huge positive move for the scene is that when you SELL your products you are completely accountable for them.. if your work is complete shit and only works half the time then you will sell very few.. if you have a reputation for constant good working trainers then your certainly going to make an impact on people who like value for money.. this sorts the good from the bad trainers in my opinion, its probably why a few people can ONLY release their shit for free aswell.
The big CON!! that i have noticed the most.. is that we lose our sense of community.. you cant TALK about your latest options.. and how fucking cool it was when you FINALLY!! after 30 hours of reversing managed to find that illusive peice of code... because any info you give away can be used to produce duplicates or even to down right copy your work completely.. you end up not trusting anyone and thats a sad place to be..
I saw this evolution coming.. and let me tell you why!!!
I have released trainers FREE and PROFIT for over 15 years... at least 10 of those spent releasing FREE to the community.. and in all those years i managed to observe a trend that every trainer maker MUST!! have noticed even if your microcosm of a career is now or way back then.. its best explained thusly..
PRAISE FOR FREE TRAINERS
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PRAISE FOR PROFIT TRAINERS
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??????? <-- i guess its more because when people buy a trainer they are
the best testers.. because they dont want to waste money
they will test the thing to DEATH!! and always let u know if
they have a problem..
The numbers speak for themselves.. of course a FREE trainer will spread more so it its bound to generate more feedback.. but those figures are PRO RATA..
Its simple.. GOOD trainer makers decided long ago.. if every trainer gets the same morons spreading bullshit about it and NOT getting the praise and admiration they deserve.. (which is the case for 99% of all trainers - even amazing ones) then why not charge these morons for the privilege of putting you down.. you shut out all the haters.. and you get a little something on the side for doing something you love..
THIS IS EVOLUTION.. the trainer scene was ALWAYS!! coming to this point.. Games companies are doing the same shit.. charging for DLC and last year for the first time id witnessed it.. ACTIVISION (one of the biggest games promoters in the world) started selling CHEATS.. i had to smile..
thats my 2 pence.. it may look different for people coming in from other places.. but this is certainly why you are seeing LESS and LESS "GOOD" free trainers these days.. and yes.. it saddens me.
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Joe Forster/STA
07-07-2012, 15:41
I'm not sure if we agree or disagree on this but: work is not what you get money for, it's what you do responsibly.
hey, erm.. im not exactly sure what you mean.. that is if your response was directed at me.. i would imagine everyone has the opinion that work is exactly what we get paid for? Im pretty sure thats why its called work. If it was to me please clarify a little more.. thanks.
Joe Forster/STA
08-07-2012, 08:12
i would imagine everyone has the opinion that work is exactly what we get paid for? Im pretty sure thats why its called work.
Right, I understood you correctly then. That's a major point that we disagree on.
You can work for free, e.g. nuns as nurses in hospitals during war time, and you can do nothing for a salary, e.g. most people high enough in financial establishments. (Have you recently seen news about "some" employees of Barclay's illegally affecting LIBOR, to earn billions - for Englishmen: trillions - of dollars?) If one is raised with the notion that one should work for not the money but for the pleasure of having achieved something or, at least, having done something useful for the society that keeps him/her alive then there is no disappointment about a too low (or high) salary either.
The fact that most people believe in what you say - and I agree it that the majority does - shows how sick this whole society is. The kind of society I am talking about would give a truly happy life - being a useful member of society - for every citizen, including e.g. toilet cleaners - which are, by the way, considered the lowest possible while, in truth, are doing a job much, much more important than bankers do. (Don't believe me? Imagine that toilet cleaners and bankers go on a strike. Which is going to be harder to endure?)
The amount of money you earn should be proportional to the usefulness (to society) of your work. You probably agree with me on this. Actually, I think everybody agrees with me on this. That's the theory. However, from this theory it follows that it should be teachers, doctors, nurses, ambulance people, policemen, firemen who earn among the highest. But tell you what: genuine, benevolent, honest politicians should, too, earn a lot. After all, they are the people whose work has a great effect on the whole society. Now, apart from politicians, are these professions those with some of the highest salaries? No. That's global hypocrisy at its worst.
But you can still choose (not be forced!) to do free work, that is, favors to certain members of society and assume that you'll get favors, too. It's just a matter of whether the feedback is positive or negative, whether the cycle is vicious or virtuous.
What boils down to this topic, in practice: talented programmers should have a job that earns them enough money and still have enough spare time to do hobby projects, the favors I described above. Unfortunately, some people are forced to become entrepreneurs, without letting them exploit (in a positive meaning) their potentials fully. This is a bad mistake of society, a serious waste of the most precious resource: human intelligence. Of course, if someone becomes an entrepreneur by his/her own choice then noone else can be blamed for the consequences, including their software getting pirated. Except for the whole society, that is, where ripping off is a virtue, not a shame, so everyone does that all the time (see negative feedback).
The typical and also wrong answer to warez is adding ever more sophisticated copy protection to software which, on the other hand, spoils users experience. In effect, copy protection punishes the wrong people which results in disappointment, bitterness, lack of credibility, an increasing abyss between software authors and users. This is what you're experiencing and, if you choose the typical answer, it won't change either, rather only gets even grimmer.
Unfortunately, most of those who have taken part in the "trainer war" or other trainer-related discussion are way too biased and shortsighted to see the events, that happen(ed) to them, in a greater context. I'm not saying that you're completely wrong on all accounts but these tirades look like pitiful whining to most people, especially users who "just" want free and working trainers, and consequently won't get you anywhere. You should switch from negative feedback - that is, getting disappointed about being ripped off by everyone - to positive feedback - that is, continuing to produce whatever gives you and your users pleasure and getting you well-earned praise for it - and everything good will follow from this. If you don't expect anything, it will be a nice surprise for you to actually get something. Positive thought waves, people! :)
ok, for starters we are both coming at this from COMPLETELY!!! different directions.. and i think its a little unfair that you take my point of view, which is based primarily and ONLY on the trainer scene and then apply this to take into consideration the whole of societies woes..
I come from a simple standpoint of explaining my actions (and others) encapsulating one VERY tiny aspect of commerce invading a hobby i once loved to cultivate for free. Society as a whole and the TRAINER COMMUNITY are 2 very different gene pools to take any kind of surface data, after all.. we are on a TRAINER MAKING FORUM!! are we not?? unless ive wondered into the social economical and moral reforms forum by mistake?
If you ask me to comment on all of this from a social standpoint then i agree with you pretty much verbatim, i think police and doctors should be paid as much as movie stars and sports players.. we have society fucked up completely.. we idolise, revere and reward the USELESS!!!! and we dont take care of our professions that actually contribute to society in a positive way..
FIGHT THE POWER!!! :)
Joe Forster/STA
08-07-2012, 10:17
Society as a whole and the TRAINER COMMUNITY are 2 very different gene pools to take any kind of surface data
Hell no! If you look closely then you'll see how many subsets, such as the trainer scene, represent society, "only" in a smaller scale. That's why I dared to generalize. You won't see anyone talk about the problems of the trainer scene in media but there's lots of talk about society in general and, if you notice the parallels and learn the proper general solutions, you will be able to apply those solutions to subsets, too. If both sides of an argument continue to escalate the situation, and noone - especially their own "citizens", whatever that means - then a war will take place. Both sides, as well as everyone else involved, will suffer and no mutally accepted answer will arrive either. That's true in large as well as small scales.
(A few months ago, I volunteered to become the representative of the 42-flat condominium, that I live in, on a housing estate, in the suburbs of Budapest, and even I was surprised about the number of parallels between society in general and the group of residents in particular. Not surprisingly, I wasn't elected. :))
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