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sandeman2007
26-10-2007, 03:51
Hi,i have a problem with the mini-image of this game...It seems that doesnīt work...When i mount it on Daemon Tools pro a message apears telling that itīs a empty cd...Where is the mini-image information then?
There is some kind of fix for this game that works?
Sorry for my english.

GLH
26-10-2007, 03:54
I moved your post to a new thread.
It was wrong in the protection-list - sub-forum.

sandeman2007
26-10-2007, 03:55
Ok,thanks for the advice.

Mindray
26-10-2007, 04:16
There is patch 1.1 for this game, so no crack for now.

poseden
26-10-2007, 08:19
1> Install the game - Full Installation.
2> Mount the NS-TW_SS-poseden.mds in a virtual IDE drive in DT Pro 4.10.
3> Play the Game!

armacham
26-10-2007, 08:30
The trial for DT4.1 wont let you mount to virtual ide drive, only option is to buy it. Is there anything else besides daemon tools, even something else that you have to buy, that will mount to a virtual ide drive?

Blazkowicz
26-10-2007, 08:33
Not as i know armacham.

DABhand
26-10-2007, 09:00
I smell dodgeyness!

targetlocked
26-10-2007, 10:12
the problem im having is, i can not create a virtual IDE drive on windowsXP x64.

dtools pro advanced:
Note:

1. vIDE is currently supported on all 32 bit platforms (x86) and on Windows
Vista x64; Windows XP x64 and Windows 2003 x64 are not supported;
2. Shell extensions do not appear on x64 platforms;




anyone know any other proggys that can create a virtual IDE drive xpX64?

armacham
26-10-2007, 15:00
I can confirm that this mini image works in windows xp32 using a virtual ide drive in DT4.1 pro with the 1.1 patch\hotfix of the witcher. I looked around a bit and couldnt find an alternative to DT4.1, and it unfortunately doesnt get along with xp64 as far as a virtual ide drive is concerned.

Makavcio
26-10-2007, 17:06
Hi, I've got a problem too. I've made a copy ;) of Wiedźmin (The Witcher) and I tried to use the dvd image provided by GameCopyWorld. First I had some problems with DT - crashes occured several times when I tried to add an IDE device but now its ok. Nevertheles I still cant lunch the game without my original DVD.

Is there a way to use this multilanguage release with my polish-only instalation? Is anybody working at polish version now?

targetlocked
26-10-2007, 17:29
would be excellent if someone made a no cd crack instead of this mini image crap

Makavcio
26-10-2007, 17:49
Crack is always postponed. IMHO mini-image is also better cuz you don't have to change any files and have no problems when patching. And I experienced several times lacks of updated cracked exes.

For "my" copy I would be glad to have polish mini-image.

Maybe the same group could make me one :D

Makavcio
26-10-2007, 17:54
I was wondering who's posting at 2.50 AM but now I got enlightened :] @targetlocked is from Florida, US and A :]

targetlocked
26-10-2007, 18:53
Crack is always postponed. IMHO mini-image is also better cuz you don't have to change any files and have no problems when patching. And I experienced several times lacks of updated cracked exes.

For "my" copy I would be gal to have polish mini-image.

Maybe the same group could make me one :D


guess im gonna have to put the disc in the dvd drive eh? ;)

Patrick1980
27-10-2007, 02:16
The problem ppl have is that they use the "DT Pro" application to run it.
What you need is the "DT Pro Advance" application that hase the IDE option in it.

You can set the IDE drive by opening the Daemon Tool Pro menu and going to tools --> Virtual Device Manager, here you can press "start IDE adapter"

Anyhow it toke me a few hours to figure this out since all the read me files says you need to have just "DT Pro 4.10" and not that the IDE option only comes with the Advanced version.

Hope I save dyou peeps some time, enjoy the game.


Pat

sandeman2007
27-10-2007, 02:45
I install the Daemon Tools Pro Advanced 4.10 in my Pc and create a IDE virtual device but when i mount the game image it doesnīt work (still asking the original dvd) maybe this is happens because i have the Windows XP Profesional edition with the service pack 2 and i think this version of Daemon donīt work on this operating system...What can i do?There is another program with i can create a ide virtual device?Iīm really frustrated with this game...arghhhhhh!!!!!:mad:
Sorry for my poor english (jejeje)

DABhand
27-10-2007, 03:53
It works on XP Sp2, dont forget to set all the options on for emulation (except cd+r option)

sandeman2007
27-10-2007, 03:58
You mean the "hide cd-r" option in emulation?I try this and donīt work...Shit!!!!...I hate this game!!!!:mad:

Zulu
27-10-2007, 04:47
It works on XP Sp2, dont forget to set all the options on for emulation (except cd+r option)Those emulations are solely needed for burned copies, not for mounted images.

guybrush23
27-10-2007, 05:46
doesn't work for me either.

I did create a IDE virtual Drive with DT Pro Adv 4.10.0128 and tried to mount the poseden-Image. Emulation-Options are all ON... :(

Well, so we just have to wait...

sandeman2007
27-10-2007, 08:10
There is one thing that i canīt understand...Why when i mount the mini-image on DT pro advanced apears a message telling that itīs a "empty cd"?
I donīt understand what is wrong...

armacham
27-10-2007, 10:07
There is one thing that i canīt understand...Why when i mount the mini-image on DT pro advanced apears a message telling that itīs a "empty cd"?
I donīt understand what is wrong...

You are mounting to an scsi drive. You need to have Daemon Tools 4.1 full version, ie NOT the free one, and mount to an IDE drive. Also, you cannot use XP64, any other windows xp or vista should work fine.

ng-aniki
27-10-2007, 10:49
I think I know what was wrong with DTadv...

When you right click on the systray icon, and go into the virtual cd/dvdrom, look, you must just have a [scsi] drive, and the add ide drive is gray.

You have to double click on the icon, and in the main window, add an IDE drive. Then windows need to set up some thing, and the ide drive will be created.

DABhand
27-10-2007, 11:02
Those emulations are solely needed for burned copies, not for mounted images.

Funny that since the mini-image or full image I made wouldnt work without the Tages emulation on.

Shadowmeph
27-10-2007, 12:44
The Problem that I am having is that when I make the virtual IDE it doesn't show them at the bottom but it tells me I have the IDE loaded and when I go to mount them using the tray icon I get an error telling me that daemon tools pro advanced error driver 0 it doesn't so I then turn off the IDE and then reload it I get a message telling me that I already have the max amount of drives even though they are not showing up at the bottom lol I wished that some one could just crack this thing instead of using images.

Zulu
27-10-2007, 13:08
Funny that since the mini-image or full image I made wouldnt work without the Tages emulation on.Ehm, there is no Tages emulation option :confused:

Dasqez
27-10-2007, 13:32
1. Mount image in Daemon Tools pro
a) Install Daemon Tools Pro.
b) Copy the patch to folder where you install DTP and patch it
c) Copy dtpro.dat from
Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/DAEMON Tools Pro
to
Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/DAEMON Tools Pro (???)
d) Run Daemon Tools Pro Agent and make virtual IDE drive.
2. Install the game.
3. After installation mount a mini-image. Make sure that you click all emulations ON.
4. Install the 1.1 patch.
5. Play.

Well, it works perfectly for me.

Blazkowicz
27-10-2007, 13:40
1. Mount image in Daemon Tools pro
a) Install Daemon Tools Pro.
b) Copy the patch to folder where you install DTP and patch it
c) Copy dtpro.dat from
Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/DAEMON Tools Pro
to
Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data/DAEMON Tools Pro (???)
d) Run Daemon Tools Pro Agent and make virtual IDE drive.
2. Install the game.
3. After installation mount a mini-image. Make sure that you click all emulations ON.
4. Install the 1.1 patch.
5. Play.

You should buy Daemon Tools Pro Dasqez.

GLH
27-10-2007, 13:50
Bye, bye Dasqez. Next time read the rules !!!

bonzay0
27-10-2007, 15:30
hi all i will have witcher tomorrow and i'll try install game and patch and play
with the image and if i will succeed i'll tell you how to do it too (i'am using a daemon tools pro advanced like you sad to do with the ide stuff)
so i hope i'll help you guys

tbaher
27-10-2007, 16:02
It isn't out yet in the US. I think I will wait a bit before I buy it. Nothing like being forced to use (and wear out) the disc.

A crack will come out soon. Hopefully before you finish the game.

sandeman2007
27-10-2007, 16:18
How can i know if my windows xp is xp64?I go to My PC,right botton,properties and the only thing i can read is "Microsoft Xp profesional edition - 2002 version - Service Pack 2"
I think that the Daemon tools Pro Advanced method donīt works because of my operating system.
Sorry again for my english...:o

tbaher
27-10-2007, 16:44
No one has XP x64 unless they really wanted to have it. If you're not sure, you don't have it.

sandeman2007
27-10-2007, 16:50
Ok,if i donīt have it...Why i canīt run this damned game???Whatīs the problem?This method works for everyone unless me...I canīt believe it!!!!
I hate this gameeeeeeeeeee!!!!!:mad:

tbaher
27-10-2007, 16:51
You're saying the game doesn't run at all? Or just the mini image doesn't work?

DABhand
27-10-2007, 17:06
Ehm, there is no Tages emulation option :confused:


Oops your right, I meant RMPS :P

Cause the game is Tages, got a wee bit mixed up >.<

sandeman2007
27-10-2007, 17:06
The game doesnīt work and when i mount the mini-image always apears a message telling "empty cd"...I heard that only mounting the game on DT pro advanced its works but i canīt play because i mount the image and the only thing i have is a message telling me to insert the original dvd.
what can i do?I try to do all the things that i read in another forums and nothing works.
My only hope its that someone release a working crack (pleaseeeeeee)

Patrick1980
27-10-2007, 17:36
There is one thing that i canīt understand...Why when i mount the mini-image on DT pro advanced apears a message telling that itīs a "empty cd"?
I donīt understand what is wrong...

I am not shure but i think the mini isnt working very well i made an image from my original dvd and simply mounted that image. It takes some space but it deos the job :-p

tbaher
27-10-2007, 18:16
The game doesnīt work and when i mount the mini-image always apears a message telling "empty cd"...I heard that only mounting the game on DT pro advanced its works but i canīt play because i mount the image and the only thing i have is a message telling me to insert the original dvd.
what can i do?I try to do all the things that i read in another forums and nothing works.
My only hope its that someone release a working crack (pleaseeeeeee)

Where did you get the game?

sandeman2007
27-10-2007, 18:37
A friend buy the game and make me a copy(In fact he paid the midle and i paid the another midle).

RabidWombat
27-10-2007, 18:47
So, I was having some of the same issues some people here were (I think), though with a different image, and a sort of weird thing made it work for me - I had just installed DT pro, but still had the old non-pro version installed as well. After much annoyance, just for fun I tried uninstalling the old DT and hurrah, it worked. People having problems with this might want to try that.

tbaher
27-10-2007, 18:52
Generally it is illegal to have 2 copies of the game running at the same time from the same license (1 purchase = 1 license) See the EULA for details.
This is why copy protection exists.

Try to see if the game runs with the original disk. Maybe the problem isn't related to the mini image. If it does run with the original disk, use the original disk.

targetlocked
27-10-2007, 20:17
Generally it is illegal to have 2 copies of the game running at the same time from the same license (1 purchase = 1 license) See the EULA for details.
This is why copy protection exists.

Try to see if the game runs with the original disk. Maybe the problem isn't related to the mini image. If it does run with the original disk, use the original disk.

are the EULA police going to kick in his door and vaporize his burnt cd?

tbaher
27-10-2007, 20:38
EULA stands for end user license agreement.

When you buy software, you don't actually buy the software. You are buying a copy and license to use it. Making a copy of software is illegal under current stupid copyright laws. To use a copyrighted work you must have a license (or a defence such as "fair use"). The EULA is that license. Violate it and your license is void. So yes, the copyright infringement police (international law .. stupid I know) will "kick the door down". In the meantime the forum police will ban him.

Yes copyright law is stupid but it is the law. Thank you for playing.

targetlocked
27-10-2007, 21:09
couldn't he just say he made a 'backup' copy when he first bought it because the disc could possibly get scratched or become worn out from being force to stick it in our cd/dvd drives everytime we choose to play?
That's what I would say, it's happened to me several times, not so much being worn out but accidentally dropped, then stepped on and broken.

tbaher
27-10-2007, 21:19
Yes he could have. But he already said he split it with his friend in a plan for them to both play (one has the original and one has backup copy)

Like I said, read the EULA. Sometimes just the act of making a copy of the software violates the license terms. I agree that you should be allowed to make a backup copy for yourself to prevent scratching.
If publishers agreed with this they wouldn't make copy-protection in the form of "please insert original disk".

If you don't like the law/rules you have free will. Break it, get banned/arressted. Or you could simply refuse to buy games that have horrible copy protection.

Let us continue this discussion in the off-topic board.

Grumpy
27-10-2007, 22:07
@sandeman2007
A friend buy the game and make me a copy(In fact he paid the midle and i paid the another midle).
We have rules here which MUST be obeyed!
You say you hate this game, and we hate those who dont read and respect our forum rules! You have now been banned from using this forum!

@targetlocked
are the EULA police going to kick in his door and vaporize his burnt cd?
Maybe not but he is now banned for not respecting our forum rules!

@tbaher
In the meantime the forum police will ban him.
Yep (notice my avatar? ;) )

GLH
28-10-2007, 00:19
Yep (notice my avatar? ;) )lol :D

maxim12345
28-10-2007, 01:28
Guys,

I've got a different problem. When I mount mini image to (mdS) daemon 4.10 pro advanced my windows is freezeing. I can't do anything. When (mdf) is mounted it shows in label "unknown" but game will not going to run. I don't understand why. It works fine with original dvd insterted. Any idea why ?

PS.
I'm using IDE drive not SCSI.

Regards,
maxim

bonzay0
28-10-2007, 01:36
i got the game and i used a copy guss what!
i mounted the mini-image with IDE (daemon tools pro advanced 4.10)
and click on start game and vwalla game is working!!!!!!
the opening vedio is COOL you should not skip it!
have fun guys! use daemon tools pro advanced 4.10 or wait for crack or the easyest way: use original!

maxim12345
28-10-2007, 01:36
I think I know what is the problem.

Raid is not working with DT 4.10 properly.

Zulu
28-10-2007, 02:27
Oops your right, I meant RMPS :P

Cause the game is Tages, got a wee bit mixed up >.<If it really only works for you with RMPS enabled it's not logical.
RMPS emulation is only needed for (surprise :)) RMPS-copies burnt with Alcohol 120%

Official statements concerning emulation options:
http://www.daemon-help.com/index.php?id=rmps_technology
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/showpost.php?p=33551&postcount=2
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/showpost.php?p=94398&postcount=3

Here is the only case mentioned where emulation may be needed for a mounted image, namely old Securom subchannel emulation for cooked images.
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/showthread.php?t=2239

Mindray
28-10-2007, 04:13
U dont need waiting for a crack if u want to play with latest patch, just do this:

Posted by ColdBlue from newtorrenst


Ok i managed to make this game working with Patch 1.1

All u have to do is:

-1- apply 1.1 Patch (backup savegames if u want)
-1- go to gamecopyworld.com, and dowload their CD image NetShow-TW_SS
-2- download Daemon Tools Pro Advanced Edition V. 4.10.0218 from here
-3- apply all 4 images in Virtual IDE CD in fallowing order (set all emulation on <green SafeDisc, SecuRom etc..)

a) NS-TW_SS-poseden.mdf
b ) NS-TW_SS-poseden.mds

then

c) ptn-twit.mdf
d) ptn-twit.mds


it should be like this > http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=56475108za9.jpg

-4- double click TheWitcher in Virtual CD/DVD Devices, then choose ptn-twit.mds
-5- lounch game.

Maybe its simplier way to get this to work, but this is working for me. Im using XP 32 bit proffesional, dont know about other platforms, sorry.


And its working for me.

Blazkowicz
28-10-2007, 05:12
@Mindray

You should buy the game as you are using ptn-twit.mdf which is the Platinum scene release.

DABhand
28-10-2007, 05:28
If it really only works for you with RMPS enabled it's not logical.
RMPS emulation is only needed for (surprise :)) RMPS-copies burnt with Alcohol 120%

Official statements concerning emulation options:
http://www.daemon-help.com/index.php?id=rmps_technology
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/showpost.php?p=33551&postcount=2
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/showpost.php?p=94398&postcount=3

Here is the only case mentioned where emulation may be needed for a mounted image, namely old Securom subchannel emulation for cooked images.
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/showthread.php?t=2239

Yeah thats what I made the image from :P

I dont like DT's way of making one.

So that would explain that then hehehe

DABhand
28-10-2007, 05:29
@Mindray

You should buy the game as you are using ptn-twit.mdf which is the Platinum scene release.

Agreed warez user.

Zulu
28-10-2007, 07:35
Yeah thats what I made the image from :P
I dont like DT's way of making one.
Sorry for my lack of understanding (and writing ;)) english: You say you've created image with Alcohol and burned a RMPS-copy to DVD9 ?

armacham
28-10-2007, 08:32
Why do people keep incriminating themselves in this thread? You can get your message across without mentioning warez.

There is no need to have two images mounted, the mini image from gamecopyworld and a virtual IDE drive in DT4.1 (pay version) is all you need. If it isnt working try redownloading the mini image, reinstalling the game, and making sure you are in fact making a virtual IDE drive. Test the virtual IDE drive you create with something else as well.

I dont think it even matters, but I dont use DT tray icon since I didnt want/need to install it. Try adding an IDE drive through DTPro.exe in the directroy you installed Daemon Tools to. You'll need to right-click at the bottom of the program where the default virtual SCSI drive is, and add an IDE drive.

Another thing that shouldnt matter: I use all emulation options except hide cd-r, they should only apply to physical media though like mentioned earlier. Any other problems are beyond my meager understanding.

DABhand
28-10-2007, 11:33
Sorry for my lack of understanding (and writing ;)) english: You say you've created image with Alcohol and burned a RMPS-copy to DVD9 ?

No made image with Alcohol, both mini and full, tried in DT Adv, didnt work until I put on RMPS then it worked.

Go figure :P

Zulu
28-10-2007, 14:16
No made image with Alcohol, both mini and full...
Go figure :PI asked because Alcohol isn't capable of creating working Tages images. DT PRO's DPM for Tages is not the same as Alcohol's DPM (for Securom/Starforce/DVD Cops) :confused:

bonzay0
28-10-2007, 14:50
i used DT4.1 (pay ver) i created a IDE virtual drive
and mounted with it the image
and vwalla i can play the game without DVD!!!
those who cant buy/download the DT4.1 wait for crack
or use the original disk to play!

DABhand
29-10-2007, 03:16
I asked because Alcohol isn't capable of creating working Tages images. DT PRO's DPM for Tages is not the same as Alcohol's DPM (for Securom/Starforce/DVD Cops) :confused:


Not necessarily, if done raw and at slow speeds etc it can make an image

chabo
29-10-2007, 03:58
http://www.daemon-tools.cc/dtcc/incompatibility-daemon-tool-intel-raid-t17440.html
this is my problem...

Zulu
29-10-2007, 05:35
Not necessarily, if done raw and at slow speeds etc it can make an imageWould you please stop posting nonsense, it only gets worse :(

First the unneeded emulations, then Alcohol creating working Tages images, and finally normal devices reading DVDs in RAW mode (http://x226.org/?p=17) using Alcohol 120%

aaht
29-10-2007, 06:03
i have problem with Dtpro advance, when i selecet add Ide device an error occur:

Unable to adapt virtual device problem 12

is shown only with ide device
i have win xp professional
how can i solve the problem?
thx

Gatyamadzag
29-10-2007, 09:34
Please help me i can't do anything. Have the DaemonTools Pro Advance... and made the IDE Drive. Have the .mds and even the fixed image. Have the patch. I play, with the fixed or with the game image it works fine until "outskirts of vizima" here it just broke. Can't do anything i almost do everything but don't help me. Use withOUT emulation's use WITH emulation try with 800x600 Low now i try that to use emulation's except Hide CD-r but plz help one of the best game i played and run perfectly.

TippeX
29-10-2007, 10:43
try asking on the daemon tools forum maybe?

Marvin_gka
29-10-2007, 12:05
CIT. Ok i managed to make this game working with Patch 1.1

All u have to do is:

-1- apply 1.1 Patch (backup savegames if u want)
-1- go to gamecopyworld.com, and dowload their CD image NetShow-TW_SS
-2- download Daemon Tools Pro Advanced Edition V. 4.10.0218 from here
-3- apply all 4 images in Virtual IDE CD in fallowing order (set all emulation on <green SafeDisc, SecuRom etc..)

a) NS-TW_SS-poseden.mdf
b ) NS-TW_SS-poseden.mds

then

c) ptn-twit.mdf
d) ptn-twit.mds


it should be like this > http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?i...6475108za9.jpg

-4- double click TheWitcher in Virtual CD/DVD Devices, then choose ptn-twit.mds
-5- lounch game.

Maybe its simplier way to get this to work, but this is working for me. Im using XP 32 bit proffesional, dont know about other platforms, sorry. CIT.


---------------> In my DTP 4.10 the maximum number of IDE Devices is 2, there is a way to increase it?

Yesterday I have mounted my .mds image in the IDE device and i have played for 1/2 hours. Today launch the game and... nothing :confused:

Blazkowicz
29-10-2007, 12:09
You should buy the game. Same for Daemon Tools Pro.

Joe Forster/STA
29-10-2007, 12:16
@Marvin_gka: Banned, forum rule #1.

DABhand
29-10-2007, 12:18
Would you please stop posting nonsense, it only gets worse :(

First the unneeded emulations, then Alcohol creating working Tages images, and finally normal devices reading DVDs in RAW mode (http://x226.org/?p=17) using Alcohol 120%

Posting nonsense?

Just because you love the DT team doesnt mean you infinitely knowledgeable about things.

There is many ways you can use A 120% from its usual standpoint, and many little additions that can be added to it to make life much much easier.

Maxblade
29-10-2007, 14:12
You should buy the game. Same for Daemon Tools Pro.


Is it ok with you if I, thats ME, dont like sticking the DVD in EVERYTIME I want to play? Did you know there are thousand of US thats people like ME that DONT like sticking the DVD in everytime just to play games. We ALL do something so unless you want the finger pointing back at you try thinking the glass is half full . What just cracks me up is I look up and see "CloneCD/DVD, BlindWrite, 1click DVD copy, AnyDVD, DAEMON tools, CurROM, Pr0T.ST0p, SD4 Hider/Blocker".

Zulu
29-10-2007, 15:03
Sorry for being that outspoken, but it's obvious you have no clue of Tages' functionality (e.g. what -if possible- should be the benefit of a Tages DVD image read RAW ?)

There is many ways you can use A 120% from its usual standpoint, and many little additions that can be added to it to make life much much easier.Have fun with your customized Lalaland-Edition of Alcohol :rolleyes:

DABhand
29-10-2007, 17:01
Sorry for being that outspoken, but it's obvious you have no clue of Tages' functionality (e.g. what -if possible- should be the benefit of a Tages DVD image read RAW ?)

Think about it, what is the benefits of reading RAW? Remember Amiga's and Blitz cables? Same idea in a way.

Tages is a good protection, but not that good, even that 1mb of secure 4kb each content around Track 4, not all of the time, but it is mostly track 4 they have a digital signature, or "organically", as they call it, encoded to work alongside the software.

Ive not met a piece of software that can totally burn a TAGES image successfully, but then again I didnt say I did burn it did I.

But then again your German and you lot always assuming too much. Its what gets you into trouble all the time, and you will believe everything thats told to you, and when someone does something different from what was taught to you its "OMG your wrong your wrong! Achtung Achtung!"

Have fun with your customized Lalaland-Edition of Alcohol :rolleyes:

I will, and its done a good job for me eversince.

Would you like to know about my customised Softice too?

Joe Forster/STA
30-10-2007, 04:07
If you want to continue, open a new thread and tell me to move these posts there. If you don't, stop it!

Grumpy
30-10-2007, 07:46
@Dab
But then again your German and you lot always assuming too much. Its what gets you into trouble all the time, and you will believe everything thats told to you, and when someone does something different from what was taught to you its "OMG your wrong your wrong! Achtung Achtung!"
Settle down, I rembember you were jumping up and down about Freeman making racist comments towards Pakistani's, now you are having a go at the Germans.
Both, just agree to disagree and get on with it. ;)

Zulu
30-10-2007, 12:24
@DABhand
Should have read some other posts of yours before judging you a troll. Looks like the first impression i got in this thread was wrong ...though i'm no native german.
Sorry for that.

Do you agree, that some of your standard formulations are kind of vague so that average users like me could be unintentionally mislead ?

DABhand
30-10-2007, 12:33
Yes that is true Zulu that can happen.

@Grumpy if I was racist I would have been calling you a Nazi for the last few years but I havent.

Its a fact about Germans unfortunately, they trust easily to start with then become stubborn on something they have been told.

Been like that the last 400 years in Germany/Holy Roman Empire. :P

So no I wasnt racist :D

Dytexx
30-10-2007, 12:45
@Grumpy if I was racist I would have been calling you a Nazi for the last few years but I havent.

Its a fact about Germans unfortunately, they trust easily to start with then become stubborn on something they have been told.

Been like that the last 400 years in Germany/Holy Roman Empire. :P

So no I wasnt racist :D

Can't the mods just ban this prejudiced bigot? I'd vote for that.

Joe Forster/STA
30-10-2007, 14:42
@Zulu, DABhand: Again, without taking sides, stop it. This is your final warning!

schlaufer
30-10-2007, 14:47
Yes that is true Zulu that can happen.

@Grumpy if I was racist I would have been calling you a Nazi for the last few years but I havent.

Its a fact about Germans unfortunately, they trust easily to start with then become stubborn on something they have been told.

Been like that the last 400 years in Germany/Holy Roman Empire. :P

So no I wasnt racist :D

I could have excused the first one by usage of bad drugs, the second one puts you straight on my personal ignore list.

And mods, please close this thread. It's getting ridiculous in the worst sense. :(

Joe Forster/STA
30-10-2007, 15:00
Agreed; thread closed. Sorry to those who expected to get answers in this thread; please, open a new thread with tour question.