Chip Comparision Chart

[H|LLJD00]

Is this all true?

http://au.geocities.com/sonica_psx/mod-compare.html






Cause seems like DMS4 is best :confused:

[seaneyb2003]

of the top of my head the dms4 does do all of that. But i still think infinitys best :)

[Warlock]

Judging from all the problems on the DMS forum i still gotta go with the Infinity and Crystal.

[H|LLJD00]

Yeh I will still probarly get the Crystal Chip. Its always good being able to re-flash if need with a legal bios. Just encase.

[spedmetal]

OK let me pick apart this obviously biased "comparison" chart.

I will simply list the areas that need explaining that this guy made seem like the others are deficient in.

1) Onboard flash size------- the DMS4 Pro only has such a large on board flash because the DMS team wanted to be able to install Toxic OS (Really a modified HDL) to the chips own on board flash. Not a big deal really considering with the CC and MI you can install your own custom patched HDL with custom splash screens to your own 8MB PS2 memory card and directly boot it from there. With the DMS4 Pro you are limited to what the Toxic team releases in regrards to booting HDL from the chip. With the DMS4 lite and DMS4 Pro having such a large (un-needed) flash bios on board this make the chip even larger then it should be not to mention the extremely large Actel chip they decided to us. The largeness of the DMS4 makes it some what difficult to locate a good place to place this whale boat of a chip.
2) Backup flash bank for if the main bank gets corrupted-------- This is really another useless feature. The MI can be forced to go blank and so can the CC and then you simply re-flash.
3) Run games from HDD via OS installed in modchip flash (ie: built in HDLoader) -------- refer back to #1
4) Boot homebrew ELF files from the HDD------ This is kind of a nice feature but really this can be done with HDL and most chips.
5) DVD Macrovision Removal------- Big deal…. As we all know you shouldn’t be using your PS2 as a DVD movie player any way…why put the extra stress on your laser.
6) Advanced RCE DVD support-------HAHA the CC has one over on the other two.
7) Software modchip disable (by press pad button)------ Don't need it when you have hardware disable which is much better anyways.
8) PS2 video y-position fix---- this feature can (and most likely will) be added with a simple flash update (once the CC and MI teams take the time to do it)
9) Default boot mode------ LOL this guy doesn’t even know that with the CC when you have installed BM it defaults to the BM where you can do whatever you would like
10) Custom logo displayed under "Playstation 2" logo------ Once again…..Big Deal the CC has BM which is way better.
11) OS for Modchip-----Once again refer to #1

Don't get me wrong, they all have great features but when you actually look at it from all angles you will see that this guy is trying to make the other two look like less. The CC team specificly didn’t give the CC a large flash because it just doesn’t make since to make the chip over blotted with a giant on-board flash when you can simply use the PS2’s own 8MB memory card to do the same thing. You can even get Datel’s new MAX memory card and have 16MB, 32MB or even 64MB to load stuff to the memory card making the DMS4 Pros 2MB seem puny in comparison, well actually more un-needed when you can also set up the DMS4 to also boot from the memory card. I for one would rather have a small chip that was easy to install like the CC and MI rather then a touchy whale boat of a chip. Oh yeah that’s one thing he forgot to leave out of the chart, the chip size is in my eyes is every important. Also not having severe problems with wire placement and ground bounce is important.

OK rant over.

[seaneyb2003]

sped what chip would you say is best. Plus have you heard of the o2 mod?

[spedmetal]

sped what chip would you say is best. Plus have you heard of the o2 mod?

Well, like I said the DMS4 has great features but in my eyes the CC and MI are in a dead heat tie for 1st. Then again I havent had any experience with the O2 (Origa brothers 4th generation chip) so it might be good too.

The O2 is kind of the black sheep of the 4th generation chips, why I dont know. And the Ripper 3 is supposedly a MI firmware rip.

[lufcfan]

CC Does have a recoverable flash for if it gets corrupted

CC Skips the PS2 Boot screen automatically, so in effect it does have Fast Boot permenantly switched on

I'm also pretty sure the CC has Y Pos. Fix in that OS somewhere (it was there when I looked anyway)...

[spedmetal]

CC Does have a recoverable flash for if it gets corrupted

CC Skips the PS2 Boot screen automatically, so in effect it does have Fast Boot permenantly switched on

I'm also pretty sure the CC has Y Pos. Fix in that OS somewhere (it was there when I looked anyway)...

OH sh*t... yeah your right I forgot about that. It auto fast boots. Yeah I think your right about the y-pos too. damn I'll boot it up right now and look.

Yeah I said the CC can recover... well it forces it back to the stock flash if it gets corrupted then you just reflash.

Also the CC's BM can be considered the chips OS!!

LOL this guy is lame. BRB with the y-pos thing.

[spedmetal]

nahh....

It does have a y-position correction but its only for the BM its self, not PS2 games. Oh well like I said it can simply be added when they get the time.

[seaneyb2003]

lol well he said it was unbias lmao telling porkys and its new years 2!!! omg! :eek:

Well next chip i will try out the crystal one looks cool.

[Memfis]

Does the actual company who created the Crystal Chip release the update to play backups? Or is it hard to find? Because while i dont know what i am going to get for my new PS TWO my brother has a V7 and he is wanting to be able to backup his games and play the backups and save his originals because he has already ruined one disc. I told him to either get the Matrix Infinity or Crystal and id prefer crystal yet i dont know about getting the backup working

[spedmetal]

Does the actual company who created the Crystal Chip release the update to play backups? Or is it hard to find? Because while i dont know what i am going to get for my new PS TWO my brother has a V7 and he is wanting to be able to backup his games and play the backups and save his originals because he has already ruined one disc. I told him to either get the Matrix Infinity or Crystal and id prefer crystal yet i dont know about getting the backup working

No, the hacked bios was created from the original source codes that the CC team did release!! This is yet another feature the CC team has over the DMS, they arent hiding any of there source codes. You wont find any source codes from the DMS team thats for damn sure.

You can locate the hacked CC bios by simply searching around the net.

[seaneyb2003]

so the crystal chip cant play backups?

[spedmetal]

so the crystal chip cant play backups?

OMFG why is this so had for people to understand! No offence sean :D

did you read my CC review that is stickyed? You have to get a hacked bios just like you do with the DMS4. Grrrrr ... I feel like a broken record.

[seaneyb2003]

sorry mate :(

[spedmetal]

sorry mate :(

:p shut up..... dont get all sappy on me now. The new generation of chips are going in the direction the Xbox chips went a long time ago. Notice how your Xbox chips arrive with a linux bios that will do nothing more then allow you to boot linux on your xbox..... well the PS2's answer to this is to have a homebrew only bios installed. This is all do to legal reasons ...blah blah blah you get it now I know you do.

[H|LLJD00]

Thanks Sped, that is exactly the anwser I was looking for, an actual dipiction as it were.

I thought crystal chip was best, but just wanted to check with the Pro's :p

Oh Sped any ideas if my mate has contacted you about chip install? His nickname is 'Ultim8'. He asked me bout chipping in Cali, and I refered him to you.

[Warlock]

:p shut up..... dont get all sappy on me now.
LMAO

[lufcfan]

It can indeed boot backups - the firmwares to allow this can be found at gamefreax.de :)


(Hope that's OK to post)

[Memfis]

Thanks that site is great. And so are these forums, im looking to join in a lot more into the ps2 scene because i have mainly just been a big part in the PC modding scene but now its gotten wher everysingle person in the world buys modded pcs.

[seaneyb2003]

LMAO


:( :( :( :( :( hehehe

[Skelaratus]

Just out of curiosity, that link to gamefreax.de references a .rar file for the CC bios. My question is, how do you get that .rar file to open to reference either the .bin or the .cue? I like the CC, but this is beginning to become a lot of work whereas most chips are ready to go right after install.

[lufcfan]

Just out of curiosity, that link to gamefreax.de references a .rar file for the CC bios. My question is, how do you get that .rar file to open to reference either the .bin or the .cue? I like the CC, but this is beginning to become a lot of work whereas most chips are ready to go right after install.I beg to differ my friend. To be honest, It isn't much work to burn a simple Bin/Cue file to a CD-R and boot it.

Simply download WinRAR, extract the .BIN/.CUE files from the RAR Archive, open in Nero and burn to CD-R. Easy.

BTW, all chips will go this way - they'll have to. Sony are cracking down on mod devices due them being able to bypass the inbuilt hardware protection. Soon, all mods will have to be flashed to bypass this protection by the end user if they want to play backups. So, I'd get used to it... :)

[Skelaratus]

You have a VERY good point. But for now, does the MI come this way? Looking to upgrade and deciding between the MI and CC.

[lufcfan]

Yes, it comes as the 'Homebrew' Infinity.

You can still find standard Infinity chips, but not inside the UK and Europe :(

[Skelaratus]

Well I live in Minnesota and was thinking about going with norcalmods. I got a very good reccomendation form a friend. I didnt see anything on their site mentioning that I would need to flash the Infinity, but I guess that is what these forums are about.

[seaneyb2003]

depends if its a homebrew version or standard but i find its always nice to have the latest version anyway

[Skelaratus]

Ok, I am sorry, I am not Windows savy. I am a Unix/Linux person. I am trying to get this .rar open and my WinZip is freaking out. Any suggestions?

[lufcfan]

WinZip won't open RAR files (Read what I said above)

'Download WinRAR and unzip the BIN and CUE Files...'

[Skelaratus]

Testy testy. I think I was fair when I said I didn't know what the heck I was doing. I will try that and see if it works. And thank you again for your help.

[lufcfan]

I wasn't trying to be funny, I was just pointing out what I'd already written that's all. Sorry if it sounded a bit 'off' shall we say ;)

[Skelaratus]

No biggie :o That is what I hate about text chatting..its to easy to be misinterpretetd. Ok, I vote we add voice chat for these forums. All those in favor? :)

[seaneyb2003]

wouldnt be logically possiable.

[Skelaratus]

Well sorta...my job is currently doing it for tech support for handicapped people. We have a "forum" so to say and it allows them to click on something and have the text for the post "read" to them. Kinda cool. Also, during live chat, we have the capability to send voice IM's. Something along those lines would be awesome.

Ok, back on track. Do I burn both the .bin and the .cue on the cd-rom. Plus I dont have Nero. Let me rephrase, I have Nero but never use it. Can another program do the job as well?

[lufcfan]

Sure, you can use any program which will burn .BIN/.CUE. That's most burning programs btw. :)

Examples are:
CloneCD
Alcohol 120%
RecordNow
Fireburner

You'll need to open the .CUE file only - the .BIN is simply the data file for the .CUE

[Skelaratus]

It worked like a charm :) :) :)

Thanks a lot.

[lufcfan]

No problem. Glad it all worked out for you my friend :)

[Skelaratus]

I don't think the CC has the "Macrovision Off" feature. Is this something that will be available in futuure flashes, or would a whole new series of chip need to come out?

[spedmetal]

I don't think the CC has the "Macrovision Off" feature. Is this something that will be available in futuure flashes, or would a whole new series of chip need to come out?

Well thats actually one thing I never tested on my reveiw. Mainly for the simply fact that I dont use my PS2 as a DVD movie player and think its actually a waist to use the PS2 as a movie player. But to answer your question, I'm not 100% sure about this but a new flash update should be able to do this I would think.

[Skelaratus]

lol...my house has 4 levels. The ONLY time (and it has been only 1 time so far) that I have used my PS2 for movies is when I was too lazy to walk from the basement where the PS2 is, up two flights of stairs to the family room. See that's the problem with video games...it makes me too lazy and I scoff at real exercise nowadays. I'd rather exercise my finger tips and thumbs that do that damn stair stepper anyday :) :) :)

[seaneyb2003]

hehe lazy sod :p

[Skelaratus]

Lazy yes, but I have the strongest fingertips in the world now...don't make me poke you buddy :) :) :)

[spedmetal]

Oh yes!!! Like I said it would be just a matter of time before they added the y-fix



Feb 4 2005, 07:05 PM We're proud to release CC firmware pack 1.2! This release brings an exciting new feature, configurable X and Y modifiers(basically "Y-Fix") for PS2 software! With this feature, you can perfectly fit import PS2 software to your TV screen. Unlike similar products which offer "Y-Fix", you our fix also allows you to specify the exact number of pixels to shift the screen so you don't have to rely on numbers that work well for other people but may not for your own TV. And in addition, the X fix(which is unique to BM) allows you to center the screen to the left/right as well!

We've also fixed a few issues relating to DVD videos and added support for the retail version of CodeBreaker v9. Please see the readme for more information. Enjoy!


You can read it yourself here

http://crystal-chips.com/index.php?page=news

[woo124]

Does Matrix Infinity have the "Y-fix" mentioned here? If it doesn't, does it mean import games won't be displayed correctly as suggested here?

Thanks

[seaneyb2003]

yep mi does have y fix

[woo124]

What CC was suggesting was that the "Y-fix" for other chips works for some cases and doesn't work for others. Is it the case for MI or is CC exagerating to advertise their chip?

Thanks

[fratres]

Seaney, how does your MI play PAL-games if you choose PAL60-mode in the menu? Mine does play NTSC-movie-DVDs fine, but for PAL games the mode leeds to the wrong y-pos. Is that normal and does the mode only work with NTSC-games?

[seaneyb2003]

im in the uk anyway so it doesnt matter.

[fratres]

Well, I know, all I wanted to ask you is if you have a PAL game and could possibly test it with PAL60 on your console?

[seaneyb2003]

sorry no can do, i dont have a chip in my ps2 atm waiting 3 weeks for mine and paypal aint doing nothing about it sorry, ask norcalmods he has a matrix which he can test for you.

I also recomend upgrading the firmware to the latest which has updates for games nd stuff.

[fratres]

Thanks anyway, seaney! If you are modded again you might possibly test it then? I´m afraid I didn´t understand that y-pos feature anyway. Not sure if it should also work for PAL with PAL60 or it just handels import problems and has nothing to do with PAL60-mode. Sped once posted the y-pos is still to come for the MI, maybe in 1.4. At the moment I am, as everybody else, on 1.39.

[Spike7]

its no use talkin to these guys about DMS 4. They all use Infinity!!! I have DMS4 Pro and it works like a charm. I dont need my HD Loader disc anymore!

[spedmetal]

its no use talkin to these guys about DMS 4. They all use Infinity!!! I have DMS4 Pro and it works like a charm. I dont need my HD Loader disc anymore!

You think thats something speacial? Well its not you can do the same thing with the MI and CC. Or really any chip for that matter.

[TylerDurden]

I use a Messiah 2 and HDLoader and Im cool with that.



Tyler!

[seaneyb2003]

yeah all these fancy chips pft! there all the same they just do different things. Its just the programing thats different its nothing to do with the chip. Most chips uses the same wiring diagram just a few points vary depends which chip and the power intake. I still use duo and infinity for any install.

[lufcfan]

...and you obviously haven't read my sig earlier in this thread have you? :rolleyes:

'Messiah 2 1.33b'

DMS4 aren't a patch on the CC or MI - they're much easier to install and their teams aren't complete ar*eholes... :D

[Warlock]

I'm now using Crystal Chips only i still use my HD loader disc instead the MC exploit. In fact i dont even use the Bootmanager. Its not that big of a deal to me. Same when i used infinitys. All my games boot perfectly and thats all that really matters.

[seaneyb2003]

what ive noticed its not about the games anymore everyones so worked up about modchips!i feel that its better to go buy your games instead of micky mouse games! modchip for me is for backups only.

They are however uses full for multi region dvds and imports.