Sony to sell smaller PlayStation 2

[spedmetal]

http://news.com.com/Sony+to+sell+smaller+PlayStation+2/2100-1043_3-5371056.html?tag=nefd.top


Didn't some one here at fileforums already post about this like 3 months ago?

[JoyBoy]

If that turns out to be accurate, its interesting that SONY decided to cut a deal with Take 2 Interactive over GTA. GTA Games arent exactly big sellers in Asia are they? Surely they would have picked a huge inhouse title, like say Gran Turismo. Speaking of which, according to THIS (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/17/news_6107787.html) gamespot article, might not come out till next year now. :(

[TylerDurden]

Yeah if I remember correctly ol Seaney posted a thread asking if anyone's heard of more info on this yet.




Tyler!

[spedmetal]

So this isnt exactly "News" LOL!!

Looks like news.com is a little behind. I knew I came here for the latest news for a good reason.

[seaneyb2003]

Yeah if I remember correctly ol Seaney posted a thread asking if anyone's heard of more info on this yet.




Tyler!


yup it was me man just browsing the forums looks good eh?

[JoyBoy]

Sony Computer Entertainment Announces Major PS2 Redesign (http://www.gamershell.com/news/17368.html)

Some Specs and Pics in the Link Above.

First Thought - Still Ugly.

Second Thought - Lets see you get a mod chip in that ;)

[MoBiUs]

where am i going to put my hdd? and i wonder if this ps2 will have better lasers

btw do you think ms will every make a mini xbox

[Warlock]

Second Thought - Lets see you get a mod chip in that ;)

Thats what everyone said about Psone. :) . Your right about it being ugly :D

[seaneyb2003]

Thats what everyone said about Psone. :) . Your right about it being ugly :D


the psTwo is but ugly the psone looked nicer than that! they should have kept the cool ps2 logo in the middle sept that stupid little one the colours looked nice :) Modding it shouldnt be a prob some smart arse will figure it out :)

[zanna86]

here there are interesting photos!!!

http://www.consolenet.com/viewtopic.php?t=7361

[khafan]

bah you should put the disk manually on to the drive, welcome to psone days :p where is the hdd? :eek:

[lufcfan]

Sweet jesus that thing looks s***!

[MoBiUs]

how easy to use swap magic on this

[JoyBoy]

here there are interesting photos!!!

http://www.consolenet.com/viewtopic.php?t=7361
I had no idea it was a Toploader until I saw those pics. Almost flipped out when I saw that GT4 Disc :eek:

[spedmetal]

WOW

I actually think that thing looks pretty cool. There is all kinds of room for a mod by the way. The Network adapter appears to be built right into the motherboard (minus the HDD support of course) and the power supply is external like the PSOne is.

I'll for sure be buying one :D

[SurfDrifter]

Yes, but does anyone know if it will support HDDs? I think some games are officially supported by HDD. What about them, then?

Just curious...

[Warlock]

I think i am going to buy me a new v10 before they are all gone.

[spedmetal]

I think i am going to buy me a new v10 before they are all gone.

Yeah me too. I'm going to hold on to one of these V10 pre-mods for my self. With the way PS2's have been selling out around here month to month I can see it wont be long before they are off the shelves for good.

[H|LLJD00]

I'll keep my v7 for a while. But do you think the new console will support the current modchips if u get me, will a hdd work? And is it only gonna have 2 controller ports? If so wat a pain in the ass :( looks a bit odd to me, lol.. too small

[MoBiUs]

hmm maybe external hdd

[Cyber Akuma]

A normal harddrive will defiantely not work in that thing, theres one of three possibilities the way I see it.

1. They will release an external adapter.

2. They will use a mini harddrive (like a laptop harddrive or the kind used in ipods)

3. There will be no HDD support altogether.

I am guessing #3, Sony really didnt give a damn about the HDD from day 1, at least in the USA. They forced many usa versions of games to remove HDD support and even purposely delayed the release of it so Everquest adventures could gain steam ahead of FFXI. Plus now they can argue that the removal of the HDD was to kill off the HD Loader (if that wasnt the reason behind this mini PS2 in the first place).

[SurfDrifter]

I was thinking external USB enclosures, but that will render the previous released titles incompatible (i guess)

I still believe that HDLoader would need an update, because, even if PSTwo supported one way or another, a HDD, the access would be different.

In PS2, it required to "hi-jack" the Network adapter, which in the case of PSTwo, it has built-in ethernet port.

[H|LLJD00]

oh well I wont be getting one of these anyways, but they better have a hdd in ps3, and be able to save games saves to it!

[lufcfan]

Damn right - but I ain't gonna buy Sony if they don't stop acting like t***s :)

[ihaveanosebleed]

What’s that box next to the PSTwo’s external power supply over on the right side? Is that perhaps an external network adapter/HD case? Oh no, I think it's just a multitap!

[Cyber Akuma]

I think its been confirmed now that the new PS2 will NOT support the HDD.

[bighap]

I am with Bounty. Forget the new design.... It's Gran Turismo 4! :eek:

[spedmetal]

A few things about the new design.

1) The flip top does kind of suck, but less moving parts are always better, now there is no need for a tray and tray drive motor, or circuitry to drive it.

2) The flip top does add one major benefit, now its very easy for the average user to clean the laser eye if need be.

3) The majority of PS2 games need no HDD support so for like 98% of the PS2 game titles this PS2 will be just fine. And if your one of the few that needs an HDD there will be the PS3 which I'm sure will support PS2 titles that need HDD support (or at least I'm hoping)

4) It now has the network port built right into the motherboard thus eliminating the need to buy an online bundle or the NA separately. So all the non-HDD games that are online-able are able to be played right out of the box.

5) A major draw back of the new unit is that its kind of a throw-away design. Now that everything is all on the mobo other then the laser if something gets toasted its not going to be easy to fix if at all. Like the controller port is now integrated into the mobo along with the NA.

6) It appears they have combined the emotion engine (EE) and the graphic chip (GS) into one chip on the mobo. If you look at what appears to be the EE it says right on it EE+GS and I don't see a GS on the mobo any place. Every cool!!!

7) The external power supply is going to be kind of a pain in the ass. Now we will have to have just one more transformer eating up wall space and constantly drawing power unless its unplugged. But the benefit in it is less heat the PS2 has to dissipate and a better, cooler running unit.

I wonder how long it will take until its cracked? If you look at the mobo carefully there are many similarities with the current PS2's. The bios chip looks the same although I would be willing to bet a completely new bios code is one it. I hope they invested some research and money in a quality laser this time, but since this is a stream lined PS2 that is wishful thinking most likely.

What team do you think will crack it first?

[Cyber Akuma]

But, dont they risk pissing off Square now that FFXI wont be playable anymore?

Plus theres many HDD-only games in japan too.

[crazygamelover]

What team do you think will crack it first?

I would have to guess that a shared cracking effort will be implemented since all of the teams will be working on the same goal to make new revenues on chip sales but who knows for sure. I would bet most of the teams probably already work together behind the sceens but then again they are competitive with eachother so its pretty much a coin toss.

[spedmetal]

But, dont they risk pissing off Square now that FFXI wont be playable anymore?

Plus theres many HDD-only games in japan too.

I'm sure this was poured over very much, but with the up and coming PS3 I doubt it was much of a concern for either party.

[JoyBoy]

But, dont they risk pissing off Square now that FFXI wont be playable anymore?

SONY own 20% of Square. I'm sure assurances have been made that it will support a HD, somehow. Or maybe the original PS2 will continue to be sold?

Either way it does not matter, the HD has been a massive failure for SONY.

[spedmetal]

Or maybe the original PS2 will continue to be sold?

Right, my point exactly .... or incorporate the PS2 based HDD games into the new PS3.

[lufcfan]

In my eyes, the PSTwo itself is naff. It's ugly, everything's onboard so if it breaks, bye-bye replacements parts, you probably can't get a chip into the chassis and it's blatant economising from $$$$$ony ( I really must sort my stutter :D )

[H|LLJD00]

In my eyes, the PSTwo itself is naff. It's ugly, everything's onboard so if it breaks, bye-bye replacements parts, you probably can't get a chip into the chassis and it's blatant economising from $$$$$ony ( I really must sort my stutter :D )

I agree.

Also the HDD would not be a failure if they included it with the ps2, and allowed users to save onto the HDD, like xbox. But they wont do this because memory card sells will plumpet.

[spedmetal]

you probably can't get a chip into the chassis and it's

Just give me the opportunity.... I'll fit it in there some place!!

[lufcfan]

Way to go Sped :D

EDIT: (Rant Mode)

Also the HDD would not be a failure if they included it with the ps2, and allowed users to save onto the HDD, like xbox.
I absolutely agree. However $$$$$$$$$$ony ( Damn stutter, always happens when i say $$$$$$$$ony ;) ) want to be big fat cats and soak all the profit for those pointless £20 pieces of crap. Include a HDD you TIGHT Ba****s :D

...And while we're at it - a decent sodding laser :)

[H|LLJD00]

damn f*ckin straight!

[Hull_chipper]

Just give me the opportunity.... I'll fit it in there some place!!

And if not, I'll use sellotape and stick it to the flip top lid :p

[lufcfan]

haha, lol :)

[H|LLJD00]

na, have an external hdd, make a case for it to match the console, and place the chip in that case to, and use a sort of cable to connect tho the gap. Then wire up both ends :p lol Hard, but not exposed n wud av both.

[Warlock]

Here are the specs, http://www.us.playstation.com/pressreleases.aspx?id=227 It will be in stores on Nov 1st in the US and Europe. It does have 2 USB connectors so i am going to hope for possible USB HD support. If not it kind of pisses me with Sony. IMO no HD support is a step backwards!

[crazygamelover]

na, have an external hdd, make a case for it to match the console, and place the chip in that case to, and use a sort of cable to connect tho the gap. Then wire up both ends :p lol Hard, but not exposed n wud av both.

Actually this is not such a bad idea! Mod the case of the PStwo, fit a shielded plugin for both hdd and chip. Run the wiring inside PStwo for soldering points to support a chip and hdd. Then fabricate a case (frag box) with shielded plugins and a small power supply to power (internal) hdd. Fit an eide plugin on both cases, connect them with appropriate cables and whahla you got your self a nifty lil whatyamajigger. Ofcourse there is a little more to it but the concept isnt a bad idea. Not sure if this would actually work but in theory, who knows.

Edit: After more thought, this would be hella cool but the bios probably would not support this kind of craziness/madness. We would need to flash it.

[lufcfan]

Nah, too much work for a piece of crap PSTwo :) :p ;)

[crazygamelover]

Nah, too much work for a piece of crap PSTwo :) :p ;)

Yep! Your probably right. LOL :p

[JoyBoy]

"When the slim-downed unit was revealed, keen-eyed observers asked, "where's the hard-disc drive bay?" We posed the question to Sony, which confirmed the new unit would not have an HDD bay."

Read more about it HERE (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/25/news_6108839.html). Includes an interesting story about the fate of Final Fantasy XI.

[gidget22]

With the PStwo isn't the game a top loader like it was with the playstation? So if you are trying to save room by having a smaller console, doesn't the range of the door completely negate the whole thing? I think I'll wait for the PS3.

[lufcfan]

I think I'll wait for the PS3.
Exactly... I think I will too. :)

[H|LLJD00]

Exactly... I think I will too. :)

and me, but when the price drops :)

[TylerDurden]

Whatever, but Ill be getting a PSTwo. Well, because, its what I do. ;)




Tyler!

[spedmetal]

Yeah like I already said, I'll probably be getting one as well.