Help Flip top or Mod chip

[RonZombie]

Ok I went over both of them for hours now and all I see on here is Swap magic will blow up and destroy a city block but nothing in stone why its so bad. I read that you can play on line with a flip top and swap magic with backups is this true? A friend of mine is a manager at an EB Games and never had a issue with his flip top. Its not a money issue I can't install the mod chip myself and I hate to be without my PS2 while its being installed. So can someone give me a solid reason that the Fliptop is so bad? Thanks, Ron

By the way Spedmetal UP THE IRONS!

[spedmetal]

By the way Spedmetal UP THE IRONS!

Ahhhh yes, I see you are a true die hard like me :D

1) The flip top is junk that the lid can easily break off and not allow you to play any games.

2) The flip tops inventor is a low down dirty thief that steals other ideas and work, so why support it!

3) Why flip and flop when you can insert and play.

4) Swap crap isn’t totally compatible with some games and thus more patching is needed to get the game to work properly, or even more swapping, like in the area of I think 30-40 swaps until the damn thing boots. <-- that’s a joke but still some what true.

5) Flip Flops just plan old look ugly.

6) Last but not least mod chips are just sweet baby!

[RonZombie]

Thanks and as far as being die hard I have Steve Harris autograph tattooed on my arm. Give em Ed till there dead!

[RonZombie]

Oh yeah what about playing on line with backups can you do that with say the Matrix Infinity chip I read that you can play backups on line with the flip top. Thanks again, Ron

[Warlock]

Ahhhh yes, I see you are a true die hard like me :D

1) The flip top is junk that the lid can easily break off and not allow you to play any games.

2) The flip tops inventor is a low down dirty thief that steals other ideas and work, so why support it!

3) Why flip and flop when you can insert and play.

4) Swap crap isn’t totally compatible with some games and thus more patching is needed to get the game to work properly, or even more swapping, like in the area of I think 30-40 swaps until the damn thing boots. <-- that’s a joke but still some what true.

5) Flip Flops just plan old look ugly.

6) Last but not least mod chips are just sweet baby!well said Spedmetal

[lufcfan]

You sure can - you just need to patch the DNAS code which takes all of about 30 seconds...

[TylerDurden]

I bet you got the info about playing backups with the flip top online from Ownz. They are very biased. They will lie to you without thinking twice as long as it sells another flip top.

You can go online with any backup as long as youve patched it with your originals DNAS code.


As far as flip top goes, do a search. Youll find that there are tons of people with problems booting up games with them. In the long run youll be working harder searching for patches and other rigs to be able to run them.



Tyler!

[Warlock]

Yep, and no swap chips are cheap. There's no reason to waste money on that crap.

[Neipas02]

Ahhhh yes, I see you are a true die hard like me :D

1) The flip top is junk that the lid can easily break off and not allow you to play any games.

2) The flip tops inventor is a low down dirty thief that steals other ideas and work, so why support it!

3) Why flip and flop when you can insert and play.

4) Swap crap isn’t totally compatible with some games and thus more patching is needed to get the game to work properly, or even more swapping, like in the area of I think 30-40 swaps until the damn thing boots. <-- that’s a joke but still some what true.

5) Flip Flops just plan old look ugly.

6) Last but not least mod chips are just sweet baby!

Ok out of all of these #3 and #4 are the only points that hold any significance.. (for the person who is interested in actual functuality) This is obviously a biased view since señor Sped is a mod enthusiast.

Yes its true they can't play some games without jumping through hoops. There is a list at swapmagicfix.com They can be worked around but involve extra effort.

And yes you have to actually swap discs as the product name implies.

[spedmetal]

This is obviously a biased view since señor Sped is a mod enthusiast.



Well I'm glad your observant to this fact, and most every one else that can recognize a better method does as well. If the Flip Flop/Swap magic crap was better then a mod guess what..... I would be an enthusiast of them...... but guess what.... they aren’t so as human nature works it self out, I went with what’s better and yes even recommend the better system to the new guy. Not like I'm trying to win over his business as I don’t believe he is even in this country if that’s what you’re trying to suggest.

[Neipas02]

Sped

I'm not suggesting anything other than, when you give someone information to make an intelligent informed decision, make sure its fact. Yes those two faults alone make a mod better than the flip case. But when you factor in other things such as Cost.. Replacement.. Install.. Frequency of use.. It might not seem so bad to the once in awhile gamer..

This isn't an attack so don't get offended by it.. But when you do something like giving out advice, look at it from all views.. Pros and Cons from A and B.

Try to leave out opinion:

2) The flip tops inventor is a low down dirty thief that steals other ideas and work, so why support it!

5) Flip Flops just plan old look ugly.

6) Last but not least mod chips are just sweet baby!

and stick with fact..

4) Swap crap isn’t totally compatible with some games and thus more patching is needed to get the game to work properly, or even more swapping (cont)

[spedmetal]

What you view as my opinions, I view as facts. Now #2 is not opinion by any means of this matter, but straight up fact, and if you don’t know this you haven’t been around long enough to witness it. Here is another fact, the price of a mod install is any where from $60-$70, now when you add up all the stuff to make the flip top work your in the same ball park. So there is another point shot down.

But in the end you are some what correct, only the end user can decide what is best for him, I'm just giving out some sound advice as to what is better, and that would be a mod chip any day. There are many factors you can try and throw into this pot but the question was to help him decide and he already said money isn’t a factor...... so lets make this a little easier to wrap your mind around

What’s better? A Ferrari or a Fiat..... Get the idea?

[crazygamelover]

Good point! :D Heres a fact for ya and i only need a "1." :p

1.The flip top swap sux in every regard :eek: except for price and the easy install.


I have personally never had any problem with any game booting up with my mod chip and I have never had to patch anything, or waste time looking for a patch that will work. The laser will last longer with a mod chip as well. ;)

[Warlock]

Only a mis-informed idiot would buy a flip lid over a no-swap chip. They are a crap choice for playing backups. Damned if i want to search for a patch everytime i backup one of my games. As Sped, CGL and myself stated above, No-swap chips are very affordable. Not much difference in price between the two so the choice should be obvious.

[TylerDurden]

Only a mis-informed idiot would buy a flip lid over a no-swap chip.


Exactly. Unfortunately those idiots get mis-informed from the site that actually sells them.


@Neipas,

Trust me man, Ive dealt with Z the maker of the flip ****s from way back in the day. I know how he is. Im am just trying to keep people from making the same old mistakes that countless other people have already made.


He is a thieving bastard.



Tyler!