HELP! ps1 backups dont work on my ps2!!!

[AhmadMasood]

hi all,

i just cant solve this problem! please help!
i have a pal ps2 with the dms3 mod chip, so EVERY country code should work. i tried clonecd and nero for the backup tests:
im having problems with following backup games: tales of destiny, lunar, star ocean (all of them get the ps1 logo on screen, but then freeze) and valkyrie profile (game boots, but hangs up everytime i try to get out of an dungeon, disc rotates very fast, but the black screen doesnt disappear).
i boot the games by resetting and holding the o button.
im a newbie, so it would be cool, if i could get some information regarding this problem.

btw: i use nero startsmart, is this a BAD idea? what programm should i use?!

[lufcfan]

Very interesting. What media are you using? Also, you may want to make a new image and try Alcohol 120% for that. Also, read the image as slow as you can and burn at a slower speed if you're having difficulties at faster speeds and vice-versa.

Try and get hold of some Verbatim DataLifePLUS CD-R media as this is by far the best stuff...

[AhmadMasood]

hi,

im already tried sony, philips and memorex cdr media. three different media for valkyrie profile. all of it have the same problem. should i use other hardware (cd burner). i think i have quite an old burner.

[lufcfan]

Try cleaning the laser on your burner. That might work...

[AhmadMasood]

well i have other backups which work fine. so i dont think its the lens. do you have an idea why the startup works (ps1 logo), but then the screen freezes? is this more of a cd reading problem (when making the image data), or a problem of the cd burning process?

[ihaveanosebleed]

Neither. The problem is your PS2 is having trouble reading your weak burns. Your PC is reading and burning fine but your weak burns are meant for PC data on PC drives designed to read weak CDR Data. PS2’s are not optimized for, or intended for recordable media. Try verbatim PREMIUM dark blue media, and try burning an audio CD and see if your PS2 will play all the tracks good. Some cheap burners are just not good enough for Consoles, they are made just for PC data.

I bet if you burn a full audio CD wit the speed and media you are having trouble with, you will find the first tracks might play OK but by the end of the CD your PS2 will have problem playing audio. Same as your games, the PS2 is reading the inner center data but when it tries to load a file toward the outside edge it hangs, unable to load. Also try your media on other Stations. PS2 may also need adjusting.

[AhmadMasood]

thank you for the detailed info. ill try another burnhardware and if that doesnt work, ill get the media you mentioned.
btw: does it make sense to put the burning speed down? is there any difference in the results, even with the better burners?? what speed should i choose for good quality, that can be read by my ps2?

[lufcfan]

Depends on the disc. Faster speed rated discs tend to work much better when burned at the higher speeds, which cannot be achieved in older burners, and therefore maybe causing the weak burns and your problems. The mid-slower rated discs perform better at a much slower speed. Hope this helps... :)

[AhmadMasood]

hmm i cant find the verbatim PREMIUM dark blue media. i even looked at the verbatim.de homepage. there are two different premium disks at 30 and 210 mb size. but no 700mb discs! maybe this disks are only available in the us??? could somebody give me a link? amazon.de doesnt have them too...

[lufcfan]

Try and find Verbatim DataLifePLUS 700mb CD-R...

[Warlock]

hi,

im already tried sony, philips and memorex cdr media. three different media for valkyrie profile. all of it have the same problem. should i use other hardware (cd burner). i think i have quite an old burner. What brand of burner do you have?? Is it RAW DAO96 compatable??

[AhmadMasood]

sorry, i dont even know how to find that out about combatibility...:)

[lufcfan]

What burner do you have???

[AhmadMasood]

hi,

i have a sony CD-RW CRX210E1....dont think that its a very good hardware...

[Warlock]

The burner IS RAW-DAO96 so thats not the problem. Here in the US, Sony, philips and memorex cd-r's are crap. I would suggest burning with Clonecd at 1x or 2x on better media. Be sure "read errors" are set to abort. If it makes it to the PSX logo screen then freezes its not the chip, its most likely a media issue.

[AhmadMasood]

thanks! ill try that, hope it works.....will post the result tomorrow...

[AhmadMasood]

i hate it....i burned valkyrie profile with 1x speed...and again, the startup works fine, the intro works fine...but once i try to get out of the freaking dungeon, i get black scree, disc rotates very fast, and there a message at the bottom of the screen saying "retry"....well the ps2 retries x times but that doesnt help....i already wasted 7 cds on this game....i dont understand why the start of the games works, but the overworld map doesnt...is this really a media issue...

[TylerDurden]

It is possible that your original may have damage in that area of the disc. Therefor when you back it up you in turn backup the damaged area as well.




Tyler!

[ihaveanosebleed]

Did you burn an 80 minute Audio CD yet? This will be a good burn quality indicator, if the audio starts skipping half way through, you will know you have burn quality / laser reading problems.

[AhmadMasood]

no, not yet...i will try that these days....

[Ghale0n]

I have a similar problem, the games I have problem with is Tales of Destiny 2, Lunar and Resident Evil. All other games work but these I only get to the ps1 logo with.

Burner: SONY CRX160E
Mod Chip: DMS3

[lufcfan]

This is too strange :confused:
Do the originals boot with the chip disabled?

[Ghale0n]

for me? nope cause I have a PAL ps2 and the games are NTSC, imported

[lufcfan]

Oh, I see... ;)

[Ghale0n]

lately I been thinking it has something to do with the audio tracks cause games without work perfectly, is there some special way you have to burn when there are audio tracks?

[lufcfan]

No, not that I'm aware of... :confused:

[ihaveanosebleed]

I’ve found with some cheap media, Audio is the hardest thing to burn good, again, especially in the last half of the CD. You may have heard of some recordable disks now being branded specifically “Audio CD-R’s” and others “data. Here in Canada the government was even getting involved, wanting to put extra taxes on Audio CD-R’s. The Canadian Government just loves to find things to drop more taxes onto. I’m thinking these Government and corporate tools are trying to split the CDR media into two categories strictly for profit reasons. One thing is for sure, there’s no shortage of garbage media out there, even trusted names like verbatim is selling at least three grades of quality and every time you see the labels change on the package you can be sure the media quality’s taken another dive. The good old dark blue’s are all but a memory. I think the Audio branded were supposed to be better quality and more compatible for consoles where Data CD-R’s were supposed to be strictly PC data even thought Audio or Data tracks can be recorded onto either.

Anyway, it’s like back in the 80’s when they started putting the “HQ” on VCR’s, they were’t better quality at all, “HQ” meant cheap plastic gears and cheaper components! Oh, corporations love to sell people overpriced garbage, thanks again Sony. Now that the Fools and tools are so occupied by the burning speeds marked on the media as if 48X is actually better quality than 8X, well guess what!!! For Christ sakes anything over 8X is variable speed, variable garbage!

[Ghale0n]

the cds I use work perfect to copy music cds on though, even if i burn at the end of the cd

[AhmadMasood]

hi all,
i KNOW the problem now! i tried the games with my friends playstation, and everything worked fine! that means my ps2 has some problem! maybe the laser doesnt work properly with my ps1 games. damn! has this something to do with my ps2 model?? (my ps2 is about 2,5 years old) how can i fix the laser?!?! could a cleaning cd be helpful?!
do i have to buy a newer ps2 model?!

[lufcfan]

Try the cleaning CD. If this doensn't work, you'll have to adjust the CD Pot on your PS2 console...

[AhmadMasood]

hmm...is the cd pot adjusting complicated?!?! is there some kind of manual for that task online?? i really have no idea about console tuning and stuff...

btw: it is still strange that SOME ps1 games Do work...

[crazygamelover]

Its not real hard but try the laser cleaning first and see if that helps. If not we can assist you online with the pot adjustment.

[AhmadMasood]

hi again,

i tried a cleaning cd just 2 mins ago...and my ps2 has even problems playing the music on that cd!!!!!!!!!!! the cd hangs every 2 mins.....
so is there anybody who can give me a "ps2 pot adjustment for dummies" tutorial.....if possible with pictures...i hate it! my freidn doesnt care about ps1 games, and his ps2 woks fine! live is not fair!:)

[lufcfan]

Take the screws out from the bottom of the PS2. Lift of the top, and unhook the Reset/Eject buttons. Remove the 4 small screws from the top of the DVD Drive. Unscrew the small black screw holding the right sled pole in. Slide the laser out. Look on the side of the laser, it should have a model number; KHS-400A/B/C/R

Really we need this info to tell you what pot to adjust...

[ihaveanosebleed]

The instructions are ALL over the place, search and find a multimeter. 1/16 of a turn too far = toasted laser.

[AhmadMasood]

really?! well then i think its better to let a professional do it...it would be the FIRST console tuning on my behalf...and i dont need a toasted laser....

[lufcfan]

Don't you have a multimeter? They're quite cheap. You can do it without, but be extremely careful, and if your lasers pretty knackered anyway, what have you go to lose???