I get black screen with DVD backups ???

[mollar]

I got magic V chip installed.

When i try to load a DVD backup..... after the logo apears it tries to load but i get a black screen and no sound...

Anyone know why????


If i disable the magic V chip then it plays original ps2 games no problem.


I tried a few different DVD backups and same thing.


HELPPP !! I want to play......

[bighap]

What media? How did you burn? What vers. ps2? Do you know if the backups work on another system?

[mollar]

V7

Used decrypter and record now to burn dvds

I dont know anyone that has a mod ps2 so i cant check my dvd backups


I know my contacts a solid. not sure what the deal is here

[bighap]

Media? Do cd backups work?

[mollar]

DVD-R media

Never had a problem with this brand.

I have backup DVD movies that work in the ps2 so i dont see any problem with the media.


As for CDRs dont got any. Dont plan on using them.

[spedmetal]

Have you tried to play a back-up PSX game with it?

[mollar]

Dont got any ps1 backups either


I guess this is not a common problem. I thought it would be...


I could take it apart to check again if no one has any ideas...

[bighap]

What brand media? It could be bad backups or bad install(most likely)

[spedmetal]

It sounds like it could be either a media brand issue or a laser issue. What brand DVD-R's are you using? If when you boot a back-up PS2 game you get to the 'Playstation 2' screen the chip is working and your laser is at least getting that far. But after that all your getting is a black screen means either its poor media/burn or your laser is tired. With a V7 the laser being tired is rare; it might just be the fact that your laser needs to be cleaned. Try a cleaning disk and see if that help. Try better DVD-R media such as Ritek DVD-R's. They are the best and most reliable media that is descent priced for your PS2 back-up needs. Try all that and let us know how it goes.

[spedmetal]

Originally posted by mollar
..... after the logo apears it tries to load but i get a black screen and no sound...



oh I may be wrong. Are you even getting to the 'Playstation 2' screen?

[spedmetal]

If you could test a PSX back-up this could tell you allot. If you’re not even getting to the 'Playstation 2' screen it might be like bighap said, bad install. If after you check all that other stuff you still have the same problem recheck all your wires. Make sure they are all going to the right places. 2 might be swapped.

[mollar]

I get the logo ps2 screen then goes blank when it tries to load.




Originally posted by spedmetal
oh I may be wrong. Are you even getting to the 'Playstation 2' screen?

[ihaveanosebleed]

Does this game happen to be over 3.5 Gigs? Large TOC seems to be more of a problem with cheap media than smaller size games as data gets more unstable toward the outer edge. I can backup a small game like “:Hit n’ Run” on a Princo and it will load fine but if I backup a large game like “Rising Sun” on a Princo, it gets stuck on black screen after “Playstation 2”. IF I use a top quality DVD-R like Verbatim it then works fine.

Anyway, it sure sounds like a media/Laser problem. I’d say go pick up at least one Verbatim DVD-R. They are expensive, and they are the best. If your PS2 can’t boot a Verbatim, you’ve got some adjustments to make.

You can also check the LBA Tree info on the DVD with ISOBuster. If the SYSTEM and SLUS file are at the end on DVD, it is more likely to stop booting right away than if these files were recorded at the start of the DVD.

You can always tell if the laser has been able to load the boot file (SLUS/SLES…). You will see either a loading message, logo or at the very least you will see a glitch on the black screen. The PSX/PS2 will always loose horizontal hold for a split second as it runs an executable. If it locks up after that ( this happens a lot with bad DVD rips !) You will at least know your laser is loading SOME of the data. If there is no glitch after the “playstation 2” Your laser has not been able to load any files at all.

[spedmetal]

What ihaveanosebleed has said is all very correct and thorough information. Follow it to the "T" and you should be able to diagnose this problem. If all this fails the last thing it might be like stated is a laser issue. If after cleaning your laser lens with a cleaning disk (or Q-tip and rubbing alcohol which would require taking the top lid off the DVD drive), before adjusting your laser unnecessarily try this to see if your laser is tired.

A PS2 with a good laser booting an original silver (PS2 game that is silver on the bottom and not a back-up) game boots like this.

1) When you turn on the PS2 and hit eject it will go to the ‘browser/system configuration’ screen
2) Put in the PS2 original silver hit reset, you will see the ‘Sony Entertainment’ screen, the electrons will swirl and go straight to the
3) Playstation 2 screen
4) Then a short black screen
5) Then the game boots

With a PS2 that is having laser problems it will go like this


1) When you turn on the PS2 and hit eject it will go to the ‘browser/system configuration’ screen
2) Put in the PS2 original silver hit reset, you will see the ‘Sony Entertainment’ screen; the electrons will swirl and go to
3) The browser screen and sit there for a while before
4) The short black screen
5) Then it finally boots

This is needed to know because a PS2 with a tired laser may not read DVD-R’s or if it can it might take a longer time to read them then it should which can through off the timing of the chip. This is usually only the case with the V4 and earlier PS2’s that came from the factory with crappy lasers.

[mollar]

I have not tried a different brand dvd yet.

But if my backup dvd movies work no problem then the brand of dvd's i use should work for games also... I Asume anyways??


I double checked all my connections again. Dont see anything wrong there.

[spedmetal]

Originally posted by mollar

But if my backup dvd movies work no problem then the brand of dvd's i use should work for games also... I Asume anyways??


One would think this to be true. But it just isn’t. You see there are no protection issues that the laser and PS2 need to negotiate when booting a DVD-R movie this is why even if your laser is tiered it will still boot in some cases. Now DVD-R back-ups of PS2 games are another story. If the laser takes to long to read the disk because of a tiered laser it could throw off the timing of the chip making it difficult to boot a back-up game.

[mollar]

If it is a laser problem... wheres the best place to get one? Can i do it myself?

[bighap]

www.foundmy.com

[spedmetal]

Did you test it like I descried earlier?

[spedmetal]

This may be a dumb question but.... do you have the right magic V for your version PS2. You know there are 3 versions of the Magic V right?

1) Magic V for V4-V8
2) Magic V 50k for V9
3) Magic V 5K6 for V10

[mollar]

I have the right magic V chip for my V7


I just tried a backup using this brand
http://www.maxellcanada.com/computer_prod/Menu/catleaf.asp?cat1=Computer+Products&cat2=DVD%2DR&cat3=


Didnt work.

I still dont know if its the install,laser or the media....

[ihaveanosebleed]

When I tried Maxell brand they didn’t even read as good as Princo DVD-R’s ! Ther princo’s had a better working range than the Maxell DVD-R. Again, you should have tried Verbatims!!!!

But I did get 2.5 Gig DVD game to run on a Maxell DVD-R. I’d say if you chip is good then you need to adjust the drive, AGAIN…. White parallax gear, clockwise til’ resets then about half a turn, Turn the pots from 1250 Ohms to around 950-1000 ohms. Needles to say of course, clean before doing anything.

[mollar]

I went to get the Verbatims but i couldnt find them at the 2 places i went to.


were you describing how to adjust the laser?

[mollar]

I turned the dvd pot from 1200 to 1050 ohms

I only use DVD backups

Still doesnt work


I should take a sledge hammer to the ps2. Maybe it will work then

[ihaveanosebleed]

And you tried adjusting the white gear as well? Well if you tried all that then I guess it could be your chip is to blame.

It would be a huge help if you could borrow a swap magic, or some other boot disk from someone so you can try and see if your DVD-R’s will load? Find someone you can try your DVD-R’s on some other PS2 with a working Mod? Go to wall-Mart and pick up a PAR or Mega Memory for a couple days and return it! I think you can swap with those, does anybody?

You must be able to try CDR’s (download SNES Station or PS2 media player with some MP3's or something). DVD original games work? Does your PS2 play DVD movies WITHOUT holding reset to disable the chip? Because I don’t think it should.

Take it easy, you’ll get it eventually, and as long as your PS2 is still running originals, you could always sell it and start over with a new PS2.

[spedmetal]

Originally posted by ihaveanosebleed
Take it easy, you’ll get it eventually,

Yes this is good advice. It’s just a PS2 don’t rip your hair out over it. Like ihaveanosebleed said try and see if you can get it to boot a PS2 title that is on CD-R and also try and get a hold of a PSX game and back it up. I have found that allot of times if DVD-R's wont boot most of the time CD-R's will and if CD-R PS2 games wont load almost always CD-R PSX games will load. It’s very easy to miss wire a mod chip. Its sounds to me like this is your problem because for one its a V7 and odds are you shouldn’t be having laser issues, and two it will read originals with the chip off and not on (even though it could still do this with a bad laser with a mod chip installed), and three you have adjusted the laser down to a level where it would most likely read if it was a little tired. The chip won’t play DVD original movies with out switching to PSX mode (or turning the chip off) just to reconfirm what ihaveanosebleed said. If you could test a PSX backup this would tell allot because the PSX side of a mod chip has very very few wires that will make it work so even if you got a few wrong with the other wires PSX backups will still load letting you know your chips not dead. It’s also easier for a laser to read PSX back-ups. Did you test your laser the way I asked a few posts back.....this is a sure fire way to tell if your laser is having trouble. It has worked for me 100% every time. Any way good luck and keep us updated.

[mollar]

I did the test you told me before. mine does this one

1) When you turn on the PS2 and hit eject it will go to the ‘browser/system configuration’ screen
2) Put in the PS2 original silver hit reset, you will see the ‘Sony Entertainment’ screen, the electrons will swirl and go straight to the
3) Playstation 2 screen
4) Then a short black screen
5) Then the game boots


So i guess my laser is ok.

Is there a way to check if the mod chip is screwed?

A DVD original movie will play if i turn the chip off..
A DVD backup movie will play if i turn the chip off..

[spedmetal]

Yeah it sounds like your laser is ok. I would be willing to bet it’s your wiring or possibly the chip it’s self. No offence but more likely you’re wiring unless you possibly have the wrong version Magic V for your PS2 version. Do you have a continuity checker? If so recheck all your wiring very thoroughly this time, also make sure you haven’t done any silly mistakes like swapped the V wire for the Y wire, the labeling looks similar on the mods PCB (yes I did this once myself) and the via's on the back are easy to get mixed up if your not looking at the picture correctly.

[mollar]

I think were getting somewhere. I just did a backup PS1 game.

It Works!!!

Now What??

Now i just got to figure out why the PS2 backups dont work.

[spedmetal]

This is good news. Like I said it sounds like something might be wired wrong.

[mollar]

I just took it apart agin to check all the wires with a ohm meter. All good.

1 wire on the back was touching 2 pads i noticed so i fixed that. I thought that might be the problem.

Put it together and...... still get black screen after swirls



Isnt a Original ps2 suppose to boot without turning off the chip?

[spedmetal]

Originally posted by mollar
Isnt a Original ps2 suppose to boot without turning off the chip?

Well yes but if you have the mod wired incorrectly, or the chip is bad, it will be patching the bios incorrectly thus screwing up the booting of originals as well.

[ihaveanosebleed]

Yes an original DVD Game will boot with the chip but a DVD MOVIE usually needs the chip turned off to play as the PS2 is being forced to boot a PS2 game by default from the chip, not a movie. So if you can put a DVD movie in the PS2 and power it up and the movie starts to play with no problems, without holding reset to disable the chip, this may indicate that the chip is not sending the default PS2 game boot data. I hope that made sense.

I am not 100% sure of how a magic V handles booting DVD movies, I mostly use Apple Pro but I believe they work exactly the same, as far as reset button changing the chip modes.

[spedmetal]

Originally posted by ihaveanosebleed
Yes an original DVD Game will boot with the chip but a DVD MOVIE usually needs the chip turned off to play as the PS2 is being forced to boot a PS2 game by default from the chip, not a movie. So if you can put a DVD movie in the PS2 and power it up and the movie starts to play with no problems, without holding reset to disable the chip, this may indicate that the chip is not sending the default PS2 game boot data. I hope that made sense.

I am not 100% sure of how a magic V handles booting DVD movies, I mostly use Apple Pro but I believe they work exactly the same, as far as reset button changing the chip modes.

This is good information. The magic V switchs modes with the eject button though just so you know. And yes if you just put a DVD movie in with out doing anything the PS2 will be in PS2 mode and not boot the DVD movie.... if the chip is not patching the bios like ihaveanosebleed said it will boot up like normal.

[mollar]

what are the chances of having a defective chip? not including clones that dont work.



probably very low

[spedmetal]

yes very low

[mollar]

Summing things up

V7 39001
Chip- Magic V for V4-V8

after swirls it tries to load but i get a black screen and no sound
Dont get to the “Playstation 2” screen
Checked wires with ohm meter
Set DVD pot from 1200 to 1050
tried adjusting the white gear didnt change anything
Laser seems to be good
Cleaned laser lens with alchohol
Tried 2 different media No name and Maxell
Have not tried ritek media yet.



With Chip ON
PS1 Backups work
DVD PS2 backups dont work.
DVD Movies dont work


With Chip OFF
DVD Backup Movies work
DVD Movies work
DVD PS2 Games work



My PS2 boots like below

A PS2 with a good laser booting an original silver (PS2 game that is silver on the bottom and not a back-up) game boots like this.

1) When you turn on the PS2 and hit eject it will go to the ‘browser/system configuration’ screen
2) Put in the PS2 original silver hit reset, you will see the ‘Sony Entertainment’ screen, the electrons will swirl and go straight to the
3) Playstation 2 screen
4) Then a short black screen
5) Then the game boots




One thing im puzzled with is a original ps2 game should just boot up with the chip on. So if i get or try ritek media what difference is that going to make? If the chip on cant play originals why would it play any backups??

[spedmetal]

Like I said earlier if the chip is wired wrong or bad it will be patching the bios incorrectly thus making originals non-bootable as well. There very well could be a possibility the chip is bad if your totally sure the wiring is correct.

[ihaveanosebleed]

I believe I had the exact same symptoms on my Apple Pro when I broke a connection to pad # 5. Unfortunately there is no corresponding point for #5 on a Magic chip.

[mollar]

What do you mean broke a connection to pad # 5 ?

The chip pad was broken?

[seaneyb2003]

try looking at the cd/dvd controler or moving the chip that happend to another person on saturday.

[mollar]

wheres the cd/dvd controller?

What was wrong with the other guys on Saturday?

[spedmetal]

Well on your version PS2 the CD/DVD controller points would be the points you soldered to on the back of the PS2's mother board. Points D,E,F,G,H,I, and A,B,C and Y on the top of the mobo. In other words everything other then the bios points, reset/eject, power and ground.

[mollar]

would the length of the wires make any difference?

Its not exactly a pretty job as far as length of wire is concerned. I didnt cut any of the wires to fit.

[seaneyb2003]

no wonder and what wire did u use lol. i would redo all of it lol or send it to a pro.

[mollar]

I re did it all. Its 1000 times better now.

Just got to do the ones on the back.. check em all with a ohm meter and then i can see if this thing works.

I ll post the results later...

[mollar]

It WORKSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!

I ripped all the wires off and cut everyone to fit. This time i used thicker wire for the ground and 3.3v.

Im not sure what the actual cause of the problem was in the first time.

The 2 things i did different this time was cut all the wires to fit and used thicker wires for ground, power.

Im not sure if using thicker wires would cause the backups not to work or not. Anyone know?

My camera is just a junk one so you cant see very good but you can sorta see..

http://www.globaldss.com/1.jpg

http://www.globaldss.com/2.jpg

http://www.globaldss.com/3.jpg


Thanks for the help everyone who responded.

Ive learned alot from this install.

[Ice Man II]

Way to go man !!!!!!!

[spedmetal]

Awesome!! Glad you got it working finally!

[seaneyb2003]

Originally posted by spedmetal
Awesome!! Glad you got it working finally!

see we make a good team helping out these people.

[jay_85]

Hello everyone!
I have got a brand new PS2(3 month ago). My model no. is SCPH-39004(PAL) & the mod-chip in it is MAGIC i duuno the exactly the model but i think it Magic 3 since they work with that model no.
I can turn off the chip also.
Here is the problem:-
First i have a CD-rom game of cricket-2002(backup) which works
on the ps2. i made a copy of it on my cd-writer with Roxio cd creator on a Sony CD-R but it doesnt load & gives error of insert playstation or PS2 format game. If i keep the button pressed till blue light appears(like for playing PS1 games) it displays the PS1 wordings & some"xxxxx---xxx" sort of thing no PS1 logo. Why cannot my PS2 read CD-r copy?
2.I know the instruction to play back-up like keep the disc in tray & put PS2 in standby & then boot so it all works fine but sometimes this does not happen & i get an straight error screen for "INSERT PS2 or PS1" game & sometimes it goes to the browser screen & then gives this error. This happens say 2 times out of 10. I'm using Light-Gold layered DVD-r's i duuno the name..
3. My disc tray was making grinding noises when i used to eject the tray only(only in horizontal position).So i opened my PS2 & ejected the tray a couple of times& now its not any making noises. Any ideas what was the problem here?
4. When i run backups of games like Splinter Cell ,FIFA 2004,MGS:2 Substance...etc.
I give example of FIFA when i select the network setup it says loading & then a new program for settings opens up no problem here... but when i select to go back to game it gives "Insert PS2 or PS1" game error. Same happens with Splinter Cell everytime i save a game & then resume... but when i reset & start from the previous save it works. This happens on backup of MGS:2 too, if i select skateboarding & then exit skateboarding to go back to game menu it gives this error.
What is the problem here. Is anyone is having these problems?? Is this a normal issue or is My PS2 a piece of junk!!
Pls let me know guys .. ...:confused:

[Warlock]

Jay, roxio easy coaster creator is about the sorriest software for PS2. Try using Clone cd or alcohol 120% with better media. I think you will have better results.

[jay_85]

Hey thx! But im rigth now using my friend's backup for FIFA,MGS:,POP etc. So i get these errors.
I took it to the shop where i moded my PS2 he said it was a chip error because when my PS2 starts up & it show the "Sony Computer Entertainment" logo the bottom 2 hexagons are white he said they should not be white & all should be like the same above color's that is transparent white.
Anyone know any ideas on this? Did he screw up my PS2 while modding it?

[TylerDurden]

What exactly are you doing with your friends backups?



Tyler!

[jay_85]

My friend jsut got his backups one day to play some 2 player on my ps2. But they started giving these errors. My friend has the same model PS2. We got it modded with the same shop.
So i wanna know did the shop-keeper screw up my PS2 will it always give problems?

[spedmetal]

It’s probably the magic 3 you have in there. Think about upgrading to a magic V or apple pro or duo.

[Jmanultra]

I had problems like that when I was using TDK media. I would get the Playstation 2 logo to pop up and then everything would stall and go black. It turned out to be the media. Try another brand.