PS2 vs the Box

[JackStar]

I have a PS2 and i was thinking of baying the XBox to have the 2 or sell the PS2. Is it better to have the PS2 or the XBox?

[psx_paul]

buy both :D

[JackStar]

That would be nice if i ever get a working back up of a game. I just tryed to backup a PS2 game and it didnt work. When i put it in says to put in a PS2 formated Disk and when u try puting it in after i use the boot disk it just tells it could not load the game. Can any one help?

I used RecordNow Max and the guide that psx_paul did.

http://www.psx-paul.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

[hyungsup]

Well if u have a good mod chip it shouldn't do that

[JackStar]

But it workds with other games, but i can never get it to work with my games that i make. Could it be the mod chit dont take UK back up's? I got the PS3 when i was on holiday not here in UK.

[eatme]

if u get the messiah 2 mod chip in it you shouldn't have any problems,, all games so far boot right from the backup...

[hyungsup]

Originally posted by JackStar
But it workds with other games, but i can never get it to work with my games that i make. Could it be the mod chit dont take UK back up's? I got the PS3 when i was on holiday not here in UK.

If u have a modchip it should take every backup in my knowlage
We have to wait for the experts to say about this

[PassWolf]

I have both a PS2 and XBOX chipped. I can tell you it is alot easier to copy PS2 games than it is to copy XBOX games. XBOX copies requre some PC knowledge and a router or HUB. So unless you want to spend an additional $100 - $200 on PC equipment, stick with the PS2. It has more games anyway!!!

[BG]

The X-Box is not much harder to backup... It does take a little more equipment.... But after you do it once or twice, it becomes second nature just like the PS2......

Although..... Since you are asking this question on the PS2 forum, what answer did you expect......????

PS2 RULES!!!!!:)

[saulin74]

I have both moded.

I prefer the Xbox...

It simply got hacked like nothing else. You can ftp to it, you can map the drives on the Xbox on your PC, you can run games from the hard drive, you can run emulators at perfect speed :) Well like Snes, Genesis, Nes etc...

Also with the same game on both consoles, the Xbox version will usually be the better port.

Now about backing up games it just takes more time. Since you must copy the game to HD, upload it to your PC HD and make an iso image if you want then burn it.

You can also send files directly from the Xbox DVD-Drive but it takes more time.

So for a Xbox game to be ready to burn takes 20-40 mins.

PS2 has some nice exclusive titles though. A good modchip is required to enjoy the PS2 like it's meant to.

[JackStar]

Hi, can u help me with this problem of my games not runing when i make a back up.

[saulin74]

PS2 games are just too easy to copy...

If you have the original all you need to do is cd to cd copy and it should work just fine. For this you could use RecordNow Max, or DiscJuggler. Well Nero should work too. Just sue the wizard, select dvd and do a cd to cd copy.

Now you may want to select the option to create an image first to prevent possible buffer underun errors.

If you got the iso from the net and it is a full DVD iso. Just use RecordNow max with the image burning option and the default settings.

Now to play the games you should have say:

A Magic 2
A Magic 3
A Magic 3.1
A Messiah 1
A Messiah 2

I believe all these should boot just about anything. Some better than others. For example the best modchip is said to be the Messiah 2 and the second best the one I have the Magic 3.1.

Follow the boot instructions for your chip found here: http://www.fileforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38232

[lufcfan]

Not only that, but on this forum previously (I can't remember who), had said that they had done some research on the processors in both consoles and the PS2 Processor turned out to be more potent. It would be nice to have an input here mate, tell us exactly what you found out...

Personally I prefer PS2. Easier to backup, more games and will probably have a longer lifespan than the 'BoX as the PS2 has outsold it by a mile. But, if you can afford both, why not get both?

[JackStar]

Looks like i will keep my PS2. But was thinking of geting a better chip in it as i hear there are same that dont need a boot disk befor u put in the game. How hard is it to take out old chip and put in new one?

BTW i think all this copying thing is not for me. I have tryed a lot of things and never got a good copy of a PS2 or a DVD. Its just a bit over my head (but yes i do know how to back up same CD's) LOL. Can same one tell me how to set up my PC so i can get a working backup?

I have a:
Athlon XP 2200+
785.904 Ram (dont know what the 904 is but it says it like that in system properties)
Win2K Pro (thinking of going to XP again soon but dont know)
60 gb and 80 gb hard drives
DVD Rom and a Pioneer A05 DVD-R/DVD-RW

Is there any thing i need to do to my PC or the setings of it to fix this or is it just me?

PLZ help if u can. Ask if u need more info.

[JackStar]

I was just thinking about this and im not a 100% if i have a driver for it (my DVD-R). Do u need one or just it work by its self. I get good back ups of the music CD's and all that.

[BG]

What software did you get with your A05?

If it was RecordNow Max (which is what mine came with)... Installing that is all that is needed.....

Although you should still use Clone CD to backup cd based games....(The A05 is 100% compatible with Clone CD)

What type of MODCHIP do you have in your PS2?

[JackStar]

I got same funny programs with it but dont use them.

Im useing the RecordNow MAX traile now to see if i can get a working PS2 with it befor i get the full program.

I dont know what chip i got, was thinking of opening the box up to see but i think ill fuk it up. Knowing me. LOL.

[BG]

Without "knowing" what chip you have MAY be the reason none of your backups work.......

Each chip has a different way to boot backups.......

Alot of them boot cd-r backups one way, and dvd-r backups another.....

It is of EXTREME importance to FIND OUT what chip it is to make 100% sure that the method you use is the correct one.....

Take a look at my boot procedures post..... HERE!!!!! (http://www.fileforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38232)
and see if you can get any of these to work for you......

[DC_Jay]

Halo, Doa3 and Panzer Dragoon Orta are the only good exclusive games on the X-Box.

[JackStar]

My PS2 is a SCPH-30004 R PAL one. This could sound funny to u all but how do i open it up to look at the mod chip? LOL.

[dunnyz90]

i would say xbox because.......u can save games to ur hdd...it is so easy.....i mean the only problem is (i dont no about ps2) is that some games are to big to fit on a dvd.....(Metal Gear Solid 2) i dont no about ps2 tho

[BG]

The PS2 also has some titles that will not fit on a dvd-r.....

Metal Gear Solid 2 will fit. (PS2 version)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance will not (PS2 version)

There are a few others......

But there is "light at the end of the tunnel"

Some of the TOP release groups have already cracked the dvd-9 problem on at least one game.... Hopefully it won't be too long before the others are cracked also....

[JackStar]

I tryed opening it and now my PS2 is not working. Cant turn it on. Where should the chip be? Only thing i did see was same thing that looked like then NEO 2.2. Is there any one in Surrey or London that works at fixing PS2's, i hear u cant take it into all shops that can fix them. PLZ let me know if u do.

[Gurm]

Good Lord.

*sigh*

As for which is "better"... let me run down the list:

CPU:
PS2 - 250Mhz RISC
XBOX - 700Mhz Celeron

(I'll take the RISC chip, thanks!)

GFX:
PS2 - Sony Proprietary
XBOX - GeForce3

(GeForce3 is better at high res, but your TV is 400x400... so it doesn't matter much!)

Controllers:
PS2 - Excellent
XBOX - FRIGGIN' HUGE AND UGLY AND BULKY AND UNUSABLE

(I _HATE_ XBOX CONTROLLERS!)

XBox Bonuses:
Hard drive
built-in network
Rare works for Microsoft now

XBox Minuses:
If I wanted to play PC games, I'd play them on my PC.

PS2 Pluses:
More games, better games.
Square works for Sony.

PS2 Minuses:
HDD costs extra
Network costs extra

- Gurm

[Jay_83]

i've got both machines and truth be told, i do prefer the ps2.

My xbox is with matrix and i've got tons of homebrew software...which is goddamn nice to have! Megadrive emulator etc! :D Although it's just too much like my pc to get excited about.

Although i have to say, the shenmue series will always have a place in my heart :rolleyes: Simply amazing!


Ps2 has better games though! I bought my xbox the day of release and since finishing the release games, other than panzer dragoon orta there aint anything else I wanna play.

[bighap]

Gurm: I believe the ps2 has a 300 mhz processor not a 250.:)

[saulin74]

Xbox has nasty controllers that's why I use my PS2 controller with an adapter :)

In graphics the Xbox beats the crap out of the PS2. CPU power? Oh hell yeah. The Xbox runs the genesis emu full speed :). The PS2 doesn't run it's Genesis emu full speed and it looks like crap. That one called Pgen.

Games: Well the PS2 does have a lot more games of course and many good ones too.

So yeah lets hope the Xbox does come out with some good stuff... The other consoles are coming out with some cool exclussive games and the Xbox nothing really exciting lately.

[lufcfan]

Sorry, about this - I don't mean to offend anyone here but this is just my opinion - I think the XboX is absolute CRAP! The controllers are massive, bulky - Horrible! It takes an extension on your house to fit it in and if I wanted a PC, I would buy a PC - they are so similar! The only difference is that the XboX is made old PC hardware and cheap bits at that - A Celeron Processor? they're s***! The only decent bit is the Graphics Card but it isn't used to it's full potential so whats the point. Not only that, but if I were to buy a games console, I would want to spend my money on a console which games publishers / manufacturers care for. If it meant spending a little more - so be it! The PS2 outsells the 'Box in a ratio of about 5:1 and this speaks for itself. I am sorry, but I hate the XboX and always will!

[HiredHitman]

Just for the record.

The XBOX has a 733 P3, not a celeron.

I like the xbox controller(controller S). I can't imagine trying to play halo with the ps2 controller.

I say get em both if you can afford it.

[Gurm]

I can't imagine playing Halo, Period.

I played Tribes and Tribes2, so Halo just seems lame in comparison.

In fact, the BEST game of that type (3D squad combat, powered battle armor) was "Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri", by Looking Glass.

Sadly, Looking Glass was a little too forward thinking, and made games that ran lousy on current hardware but GREAT 2 years after release. :(

As for the P3 vs. Celeron... it's a P3, true. But it's a P3 on a crippled bus, with shared bandwidth for all the devices and no dedicated CPU lines. Lop off some cache and it's a celeron. Might as well be, runs like one.

And the reason the Genesis emulator runs better on the XBox? Because it's a byte-for-byte port of the PC Genesis emulator which is older, better supported, and more refined.

I've seen some impressive graphics coming out of the XBox. But that's about all. :(

- Gurm

[hyungsup]

I don't think there was graphics same as onimusha series
They are amazing
I think the X-Box can't handle those things because the graphic card isn't that good...
it runs at 233MHz I think...
I think X-box is good for shooting game and some types of sport that needs a lot of space
Ps2 RULES THE REST ^^:D

[saulin74]

Actually onimusha is on Xbox and it does have better graphics than the PS2 version.

No chance in hell the PS2 could compare to the Xbox in graphics and mmmm I doubt it can compare in power either.

However the Gamecube on the other hand is another story.

But like I said before the PS2 has way more games also being the oldest console of the 3. Most people have bought it compared to the other 2.

[Gurm]

Nobody brought the gamecube into this.

The gamecube is far and away the best of the three systems.

Period, end of story, no arguments no contentions.

Will it survive in the long run, with Nintendo keeping such a low release rate going? I dunno.

But it's the best system, period.

- Gurm

[FiT]

anyone for a game of pong? hang onits in the loft somewhere.....

[lufcfan]

Sorry, but Gamecubes are absolutely SH*TE!

The PS2 and XBoX kich the crap out of it. It is almost as if, on release day, the thing crawled out of the stock cupboard quietly, realised the store was shut and sneaked back in and yet to return. It really is NOT a contender and the XBox kicks the crap out of it anyway but the PS2 takes the pi** out of them both - just look at the titles and the sales ratios - VERY INTERESTING READING!!!

[Gurm]

Lufcfan,

We are debating the technical/ergonomic merits of a system. Not how many units have sold, or how many crappy games there are for that system.

The ATI video chip in the GC is technically superior to the GF3 in the GameCube. It's the equivalent of ATI's current top-of-the-line 9x00 series cards for the PC, which are already faster than the GF4 line, and faster ALSO than the new GF-FX cards.

The processor is RISC like the PS2, but faster than the PS2. RISC is inherently better than CISC (the crippled P3 in the XBOX is CISC). A 350Mhz RISC chip (roughly what the GC has) is EASILY as fast a a Gigahertz CISC chip, depending on implementation. Since the XBOX is well under a Gigahertz, again the GC wins.

The system itself is small and ergonomic. Games load near instantaneously (with the exception of the horrific Turok: Evolution. Yik!), and the controller fits all hand sizes. The XBOX controller gives even the biggest handed nasty cramps, and us mere mortals can't even get a good grip on it.

Now, let's list some more good things:

GC - Anti-flicker filter built in. When playing on a standard TV, the GC looks tremendously smooth due to ATI's tv-out superiority. When playing on a HDTV or monitor, it deactivates and you get the crispness you want while maintaining fluidity.

GC - MiniDV's are the bomb. While standard DVD's hold more, we must be realistic and realize that there are less than 5 DVD9 titles available for the PS2, and around that many for the XBox. Nintendo is following suit with a full-sized DVD adapter for the Gamecube.

GC - Portable. Runs off batteries and has a clip-on LCD screen. Nuff said.

The XBOX... has a hard drive. Which, unless you MOD it and break the law, is unusable for anything other than saving games.

Don't start in on the "look at the way cool games that PS2 has!" bull, because we KNOW that Nintendo is lagging in the game release department. That's the GC's biggest (only) weakness right now.

Go play Mario Sunshine, and then go play Spyro. No competition. End of story. Go play Rogue Squadron 2, and play ANY space combat game on ANY other system. No competition. At all. Period.

- Gurm

[bighap]

I am sorry but I think game selection is a HUGE factor in deciding the better system. Gamecube games look good but it just has way too many kiddie type games to compete with the PS2 or even Xbox for that matter.

[lufcfan]

Hey Gurm,

I really couldn't give a flying f*** about your technical facts - after all, it isn't something we don't already know, and like Bighap says, the games DO indeed matter over a good console or not. After all, it isn't he technical specs you are playing is it? NO! I didn't think so!

And by the way, the gamecube games are indeed CRAP and are leading to the downfall of the GC system. There are far too many kiddy games for it.

I can just see it now, We PS2 owners will be looking forward to new titles in years to come but you GC owners (if they all think like you) will be saying, "who cares about the games, we have a poncy ATI Graphics card which doesn't mean sh*t anymore 'cause no developers could give one anymore"

Shame really, and just for the record, how can the GC win the technical battle, we all know the XBoX has far superior innards to the other consoles, including the GC - but what counts, is the games and the interest in which developers have in your product, in which we all know that the PS2 has by far the more superior titles and that is what REALLY matters, because it is pointless in having a console like the GC when no decent games are out for it, so the games do make a games console sell more, and therefore control the market and finally make a SUPERIOR CONSOLE, which everybody wants and cares for unlike the GC which is losing this Console Generation by far!

[Jay_83]

This thread may possibly go on for a hell of a long time.

I have all three main current systems and have always bought every system on the market since the days of the master system. IMAO here is how it goes.

GAMECUBE

I think the Gamecube is a great little console, but only really appeals to me for nintendo's titles (such as mario sunshine, pikmin, starfox adventures and monkey ball 1+2, metroid prime etc etc) As for third party support the cube literally sucks, and we all know thats true.

XBOX

The xbox is a damn cool machine, game wise it has it's fair share of class A titles. Halo is the only game which has shown me anything special since day of realise. Xbox is def my biggest disappointment.(Many of the other games simply play better on rival systems (Splinter cell plays a lot nicer on ps2. Trust me, i've finished the xbox version and am currently doing it again on ps2.) and other than that most of the other games are great but are very little different when comparing to the dreamcast alternatives

Project Goth = Metropolis street racer (DC)
Jet Set Radio Future = Jet set radio (DC) with different stages
Shenmue 2 = Shenmue 2 (DC) with english voice over.

With support from sega then I am seriously looking forward to the continuation of shenmue series but have yet to see this confirmed. The ability for emulators though is one which I throughly enjoy, playing sonic and other old classics on screen with a pad is something I used to crave for.......but this isn't what the xbox is designed for!

PS2

Nice looker, Nice pad and fair selection of A*** titles. Fair enough the machine has it's fair share of crap titles but this is to be expected with such a large user base.
Developers know the ps2 version will sell more....thus invest more into developing it.
Def my fav machine of the lot purely for the wide choice of titles.

Jay :D

[lufcfan]

Well said Jay, and this really does confirm my point!

[Gurm]

I agree that the bad game selection has the potential to drive Gamecube into the ground.

But you cannot assert that ANYTHING about the XBOX is technically superior. It's the same machine I built for my little brother a few years back, only with a slightly updated graphics card. It's a crappy PC in a shiny black box. That's all it is. One of these days, one of the Project X people will beat the DVD encryption, and we'll just play XBOX games on the PC.

And you know what? I _like_ "kiddie" games. If I want a FPS or a sim or a wargame or a racing game, I'll play one on my PC. If I wanna shoot stuff, smack people around, or play a platformer, I fire up the game console.

Zelda only exists on the GC. Mario, Wario, Starfox, Metroid, Kirby, etc.

Yeah, they're "kiddie". But they're fun.

When I was faced with the choice of only ONE system, I got the PS2. When the GC price dropped, I picked one up.

I will never own an XBOX. There's just no point, since my PC is about 10 times faster/better already, and the XBOX has only been out less than 2 years. *shrug*

- Gurm

[Gurm]

This pretty much sums it up:

http://www.pvponline.com/archive/2003/pvp20030403.gif

- Gurm

[lufcfan]

Fair point. I know the XBoX is crap but it still has better specs. The Cartoon is very funny though... :p

[UrrBodyH8sMe]

bighap is wirte gamecube has all kiddie games like the new zelda they truned that game to sh** i always loved the zeldas till now talk about crapy i could not get payed to play that game

[hyungsup]

Then I say PC games should be the best!!
If I have a p4 2.2Ghz with TerraTec Geforce FX Mystify 5800 Ultra
AGP, 128MB DDR2, DVI
It would be the best!!!
Even my own pc is better ^^
Specs actually don't do anything....
X-box has better specs but not games....
Think of playing metal gear solid with those x-box controllers

[lufcfan]

I hate XBoX and Bill Gates, PS2 is the best and GC is just crap. I think this is what we can boil this thing down to. After all, what in the hell has this post got to do with the GC - It's a PS2 forum after all! Anyway, speaking of playing MGS2 on an XBoX controller would be an absolute nightmare - they are absolutely awful ( a bit like the console really ) :D

[Gurm]

Originally posted by UrrBodyH8sMe
bighap is wirte gamecube has all kiddie games like the new zelda they truned that game to sh** i always loved the zeldas till now talk about crapy i could not get payed to play that game

Have you actually played it?

It's a new style, but it's the same game.

Cell shading takes a bit of getting used to but once you do, you begin to enjoy the cartoonish, anime-style graphics. The characters are very expressive. It's like playing a Zelda anime.

- Gurm

[Pellinore]

I have all 3 systems and if I had to choose of coarse I would take the PS2. The Xbox is alot more fun with the things you can do with it, but u can do it all on a PC.

Obviously u have not played Zelda, it has to be the best game out there now. I had to dust off the GC to play it but I have not turned it off since.