View Full Version : Knife Trick is the safest way
It amazes me the amount of people on these boards actually advocating Mod chipping as safer than using the knife trick.
Aside from the no solder method which is the only relatively safe mod, mod chipping your PS2 is the single most damaging thing you can do to your PS2.
You are opening up your PS2 and exposing it to dust. You are then permentaly SOLDERING a foreign object into a mass produced product. Solder is renowed for drying out, getting dusty, and coming lose which will screw up the insides.
Soldering wires and a chip into a PS2 is far far more likely to damage your PS2 than a simple knife trick, ask anyone who has actually done it.
MOD CHIPS CAN FRY YOUR PS2, the Knife trick cannot. Even if you do manage to damage your PS2 with the knife trick which is very unlikely, the cost of repair is far far less, only the tray mechanism can get damaged, not the PS2. This is very cheap to replace.
I have yet to read anyone who has actually done the knife trick properly say it's bad.
officespace67
27-12-2002, 19:56
Can u please tell me how to do the knife trick, or tell me a site that would tell me how? I have a Gameshark version 2.0 and my playstation 2 is a version 1. I have a Sony DRX500UL DVD BRUNER. I’d appreciate any help.
Here's a page that will tell you how to do it. It's very simple to do, as long as you don't rush it. You've got a gameshark which is all your really need.
http://cousinfizz.4mg.com/
I will never go near my PS2 with a soldering Iron. I've got a guitar and it's bad enough trying to solder in new pickups in which you can easily screw up, let alone an piece of consumer electronics.
officespace67
27-12-2002, 20:16
This help. . . but how do I know which games will work and which games won’t? Is there something special u need to do for EA games?
The same games that work with mod chips will work with this. The only way to see is to just try them. Most will work.
EA games still need to be patched I think, I don't have any. I think you can find patches on the internet for free.
That is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. I HIGHLY recommend you don't use it officespace67.
orion731
28-12-2002, 01:19
I completely agree with Bighap. Just as much dust gets sucked into the back of the PS2 via the fan as it would to open up the ps2.
LOL!:o
How funny!
Looks like you're gonna be my anger management for today :p
First of all, check out http://www.gameconsolerepair.com/ps2parts.html
who sell a "Replacement laser elevation guide arm assembly. Very common part to break or get damaged from the "knife" trick. Extremely hard to find and fairly easy to install. "
hmmm.
Also, the dust subject is the most stupid thing i've heard in a long time!!!!!
Excuse me, but by the time you've finished doing the knife trick how much dust do you think has entered through your ps2 drive?? none?
And the solder issue, as long as amatures don't decide to do a 20+ wire install and get a pro to do the install then why would the solder come lose?
I've still got my saturn which was modded in 1995 and the solder aint caused any problem with that.
I can't be arsed wasting anymore time doin this cause bighap said it well enough. :p
Alex:
Dude, You're entitled to your opinion however have you seen the results and poll from the knife trick?
The results are NOT GOOD in the future..
There so many people who ues the knife trick and ends up throwing away their machines b/c the laser gets shot gradually..
Also as for chips if anyone wants it modded but isn't sure they could handle it than they should consult professional solderer for a mere fee..Better than jeopardizing the machine..Don't you agree? I'm not if you came this forum to start up sh** or maybe just to throw your opinion but Knife trick is the early grave for PS2's..Knife is meant for cutting foods not Ps2's..(Borrowed quote off someone).
I respect your opinion, but don't advise anyone to do something they will regret..It might save few bucks now but in the future you will spend lot more buying a new machine..:(
Originally posted by A03
Knife is meant for cutting foods not Ps2's..(Borrowed quote off someone).
:D Nicely put!
HANS_COBBO
28-12-2002, 05:56
Originally posted by A03
Alex:
Dude, You're entitled to your opinion however have you seen the results and poll from the knife trick?
The results are NOT GOOD in the future..
There so many people who ues the knife trick and ends up throwing away their machines b/c the laser gets shot gradually..
Also as for chips if anyone wants it modded but isn't sure they could handle it than they should consult professional solderer for a mere fee..Better than jeopardizing the machine..Don't you agree? I'm not if you came this forum to start up sh** or maybe just to throw your opinion but Knife trick is the early grave for PS2's..Knife is meant for cutting foods not Ps2's..(Borrowed quote off someone).
I respect your opinion, but don't advise anyone to do something they will regret..It might save few bucks now but in the future you will spend lot more buying a new machine..:(
Totally agree with you there m8 (A03) :D :D
Let him carry on with this method which will enventually F*** up his PS2, and he will probably come back to this forum in time and admit that we were right about this stupid Knife trick.
Originally posted by A03
Alex:
Dude, You're entitled to your opinion however have you seen the results and poll from the knife trick?
The results are NOT GOOD in the future..
There so many people who ues the knife trick and ends up throwing away their machines b/c the laser gets shot gradually..
Also as for chips if anyone wants it modded but isn't sure they could handle it than they should consult professional solderer for a mere fee..Better than jeopardizing the machine..Don't you agree? I'm not if you came this forum to start up sh** or maybe just to throw your opinion but Knife trick is the early grave for PS2's..Knife is meant for cutting foods not Ps2's..(Borrowed quote off someone).
I respect your opinion, but don't advise anyone to do something they will regret..It might save few bucks now but in the future you will spend lot more buying a new machine..:(
well said AO3!!
Wow Alex, I am amazed at the reasons you gave for not modding your PS2,
You are opening up your PS2 and exposing it to dust. You are then permentaly SOLDERING a foreign object into a mass produced product. Solder is renowed for drying out, getting dusty, and coming lose which will screw up the insides.
Be happy you did not try to open your PS2 to modded, you would have definitely fried it. Make sure you keep using the knife trick, after all that is not a foreign object to be sticking in your PS2, is a cooking object. For the rest of you that want to mod your PS2, the most important things you have to worry about when modding your PS2 is 1. static electricity 2. solder bridges ( when you solder two points together that are not suppose to touch) 3. cold solder ( when you think you properly soldered the wire to the trace when in fact you did not let the solder melt enought to create a solid connection) 4. make sure the wires go to the correct point.
These are more realistic things to worry about when modding and a pro knows how to do the job right the first time. If you are not comfortable with soldering then let someone experience do it but don't let someone that has never modded a PS2 before give you lame excuses that don't even make sense scare you away. Alex if you want to know why modding is the way to go then just get your PS2 modded and you will probably change your mind.
What a load of crap most of you are talking.
Would you solder wires and a chip into your PC or TV? I think not.
Most of you obviously don't even know what it involves. You use thin plastic, not a metal knife.
The knife Trick does not interfere with the electronics of the PS2. Modding does.
In these very forums there are reports of botched mods, having to be taken back to be redone, or the chip not functioning properly, it's a joke.
Ask an electrition which method is more likely to cause severe damage, he'll tell you.
platinum
28-12-2002, 14:13
Would you solder wires and a chip into your PC or TV? I think not.
yes and have. why not?
And you think the Knife trick is damaging. :rolleyes: :D
Soldering wires and chips into a PC or TV is a completely stupid thing to do unless you are a fully qualified electriction.
Electrocution is among the many reasons not to.
That is why you get someone experienced to do it. The only reason some mod installs don't work is because people try to do it themselves or have somebody who doesn't know what they are doing do it. Or they buy a crap mod. Never had a single prob with mine cause I got a reliable chip and had a pro install it. I guarantee I will far less problems with my modded PS2 that you would doing your knife sh*t. I don't have to buy replacement parts for my PS2. You are just probably a poor guy who talks sh*it about mods cause you can't afford one.
You are very naive.
Just look at cars, there are hundreds of dodgey garages who can fix and install parts for your car.
How many of them are expert enough not to make mistakes? Very few outside the big chains such as Kwik Fit etc.
If Sony were doing it, I would let them. A backstreet amatuer who happens to sell games or fix things part time is not someone I would trust with my PS2.
Neither would I. That is why you go to someone reliable like Bill at freedomlives.com who guarantees their work and actualy tests the system to make sure it is working properly.
You idiot.
Kwik fit good with cars???? Don't even get me started with that.
It doesn't matter what company you go to IT'S THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PERSON DOING IT.
I think you need to start watching a program called FAKING IT.
So you're saying that messing with the mechanism is better than changing the electronic data in the machine?
Well you're damn staying away from my PC. What you gonna do if my dvd drive packs in? Fix it by sticking knifes inside it or take the case off and damage it with dust.
Get a life, This forum is for people that want help on modding. Just because you've probably been kicked off you're MY PS2 IS BETTER THAN YOUR .............(Fill in the blanks) forum doesn't mean you can come here and start mouthing off. Express you're views but don't do it in a way that is slander to other members especially die hard members who do a great deal for this forum.
Oh and i've added the nice dead version 4 message below. And before you start, the chip didn't do the damage. Being dropped from a height did. Hang on, At least i can eat it...............where's the knife:p
Yes well said Jay, you have a very vivid imagination. :D :rolleyes:
Any sane person would rather damage a cheap drive mechanism then an expensive circuit board which controls an entire machine.
Hunt the brain cell.
Better yet not damage anything at all by having a pro do it. You have to buy replacement parts by doing the knife trick. You don't with a mod.
Originally posted by bighap
. You have to buy replacement parts by doing the knife trick. You don't with a mod.
A Knife Trick with a piece of plastic is far less likely to damage your machine then an electronic mod.
I've yet to hear anybody who does the knife trick properly delcare that it damaged their machine. Wish I could say the same about mods...........
Probably 1 person in this board actually knows how to do the knife trick and has researched it properly. Damaging the laser is complete rubbish and won't happen by moving a white pin with a thin bit of plastic.
Any sane person would rather damage a cheap drive mechanism then an expensive circuit board which controls an entire machine.
Its not the Drive.. its the laser.. The Laser I tell you!!!
But I guess you wouldn´t know anything about the would you??
You said yourself that you damage the disc tray by doing the knife trick. A mod doesn't damage your laser either unless you buy a crapy neo chip.
The Laser? :rolleyes:
More proof that nobody here seems to have a clue what the knife trick involves.
You are not touching the laser, you are moving a white pin which moves all the time when you open the tray anyway.
It's basically like picking a lock, you are moving the lock by hand instead of using a key. This does not damage locks. Quite how this can damage the laser is beyond common sense.
You do not damage the drive tray unless you are very heavy handed.
I never said the knife trick damages the laser. I was saying that mods do not. Which you claimed they do. I am done arguing with you. By all means feel free to argue with your stupid self.
Alex think about this. If you asked and electrician to choose between having to stick a knife into a whole everytime he wanted to see a certain channel or if he rather try to install a chip on the tv that will allow him to view the channel automatically I am sure he will try to install the chip. If he is worried about safety then he will find someone that has done it successfully and have them do it. He would choose this in a heart bit over sticking a knife in the tv if he is really and electrician.
I completely understand what you are trying to say about safety issues when modding a ps2 because is not a simple thing to do. But that is only a factor if you don't have any experience soldering or working with electric componets and try to do it yourself without first practicing or searching for infomation. And that is why members of this forum try to guide newbies like me in the right direction so we could have reliable people mod the PS2 safely.
If safety is really the issue then there is plenty of information in this forum that guides you to people that guarntee their installations to work before is sent back to you. Then you don't have to worry about safety anymore because the chip installation is the only part of using a modchip that requires safety. If the issue is not having money to buy a chip and having someone in this forum install it for you then guess what, you still need money to buy the game shark or action replay and in the long run you will need to replace the parts you will break from all the sticking which you have to do a lot with this method. So I don't know what else to say Alex. I am done with you too, Just keep sticking a knife in your PS2 and swaping Disk to play your games, and I will keep just pressing my reset/power button.
psx_paul
28-12-2002, 16:19
This thread is going nowhere.
If you want to jam an object into your console and wedge your tray mechanism open and eventually replace either your tray mechanism or console, fair play to you, go for it :)
If you want to install a neo modchip into your console and fry your laser, fair play to you, go for it :)
If you want to install a swap modchip into your console, insert disc, swap, swap then swap again, fair play to you, go for it :)
If you want to install a no-swap modchip into your console, fair play to you, stick your disc in and boot away, go for it :)
Thread closed, touching on flaming other forum members.
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