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bOOls eYe
27-06-2002, 01:57
no, it's not a Safedisc 2.60.052 unwrapper, but i think many people will be pleased with this tool, though.
Safedisc 2 Cleaner is able to unwrap almost every game protected with Safedisc 2, up to 2.51.21. (incl. GTA 3 !)
just go to my website (http://boolseye.cjb.net) and check it out.
thanks to CirKutz, waste_me and r!sc who made this available!!!
put your comments in my guestbook, or post it here.
enjoy!
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edit:
meanwhile it IS a Safedisc 2.60.52 unwrapper :D
gh0sth@cker
27-06-2002, 03:32
very cool. good work bOOls eYe
themis_t
27-06-2002, 14:58
so,r!sc is not dead?
themis_t
28-06-2002, 14:20
too quiet for his position....
bOOls eYe
01-07-2002, 10:18
yep, new version of my Cleaner available.
fixes:
- 4 lines of code added in order to work with Warcommander and 4x4 Evolution
- support added for Safecast v2.02.40 and v2.11.40 (at least, i hope, as i couldn't test it yet)
enjoy !
Vetch_404
02-07-2002, 02:06
i downloaded the unwrap and it work thank god but now how do i place that on a cd so i dont have to apply anything or move anything just go straight into the game.
by the way i downloaded that install shield thing but dont understand a thing about it.
If someone could oint me in the right direction it would be most aprciated. :confused:
bOOls eYe
04-07-2002, 00:58
Cleaner updated again, now with these fixes & updates:
- Support added for Safecast v2.11.60
- Added feature which let you decide whether the cleaned file should be same as the protected one or not
- XP problem "not a valid Win32 app" fixed (thanks CirKutz !)
- Fixed the GTA 3 issue under WinXP
have fun (http://boolseye.cjb.net)...
spermolino
04-07-2002, 07:11
That's good news with WinXP. I hope it will come a version for SD 2,6 out cause i got problems with F1 2002.
bOOls eYe
07-07-2002, 09:10
Cleaner updated again, only 1 new feature this time:
- Support added for Safecast v2.11.10. Should be able to unwrap the popular MechWarrior IS Mech Pak.
--- half an hour later ---
Oh no, it doesn't ! It just unwraps the main EXE, but there's Safedisc protection too ! I'll have a closer look later...
Good work bOOls eYe.
I can manage with upgrade files of Operation Flashpoint.
Cheer for Safedisc 2.60.xxx unwrapper.
I will wait for this version.
You are the great man!
Veeeeeery nice, bools Eye!
*mecongratsyou* :D
bOOls eYe
03-08-2002, 05:09
Woohoo, new version (at last)... updates/fixes:
- Added 2 options in main window
- Changed logo (thanks Jarnex !)
- Support for Safecast 2.11.10 DLL's
- Added my method for decrypting API stuff in the v2.40.1x code
- Fixed the Kohan 1.0.9 problem (thanks to r!sc)
- A couple of other minor updates/fixes
- And last but lot least: "No-CD Loader"-support for Safedisc v2.60.52 !
Download on my website (http://boolseye.cjb.net), where else...
Leave bug reports & other comments here.
Have fun !
emptyeighty
03-08-2002, 07:30
I like this one.
No.
In fact
I LOVE IT!!!!!
Keep up the great work!
spermolino
05-08-2002, 09:33
Safedisc 2 Cleaner is the best unwrapper i've ever seen (since now i have only seen two) but i'd like to know what know cd loader is. I've used it with f1 2002 but i don't know how to use it. Please help me!!!
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Sorry for my bad English
bOOls eYe
05-08-2002, 09:45
If "F1 2002" is protected with 2.60.52, then it will not create an unwrapped exe, but a Loader (F1_2002_NoCD_Loader.exe). Just run the loader.. game should start without the need of a cd. Some games still require a backup cd (like Serious Sam 2).
spermolino
06-08-2002, 00:07
When I open the nocd loader the usual f12002-SD2 window opens for very short moment then the screen become black and then he shows me the usual explorer-window and nothing happens.
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Sorry for my bad English
bOOls eYe
06-08-2002, 00:37
I'm aware of the problem with the SD splash screens. Renaming/removing the .016 and .256 files in your game directory should solve the issue. You just have to make sure the splash screens cannot be loaded. So if the game would still require a cd (game has an additional cd-check), burn all files, except the .016 and .256 files, to a cdr.
spermolino
06-08-2002, 03:22
Now there happens nothing.
bOOls eYe
06-08-2002, 03:45
Strange... can you send the exe to me (safedisc2cleaner********com), incl. any special dll files required by the game.
spermolino
06-08-2002, 04:33
OK
spermolino
06-08-2002, 05:22
Have you got my Mail? At my Mail Providers were some problems. He sais your Server doesn't exist. Is this right: safedisc2cleaner********com
Perhaps the files were too big (nearly 4MB). I trie it again.
bOOls eYe
06-08-2002, 05:36
you cannot send attachments larger than 2,5 mb to a yahoo address. rar/ace it in multiple volumes and send them one by one.
spermolino
06-08-2002, 12:08
Now I have sent them together in one rar archive which has ~2,4MB.
bOOls eYe
07-08-2002, 03:43
on my pc (win98se) everything works fine...
spermolino
07-08-2002, 03:55
Does the game work at you? Do you have the game?
bOOls eYe
07-08-2002, 03:58
i don't have the game, but i can see it starts (it creates a config.ini file).
tried to run the exe on another computer ?
spermolino
07-08-2002, 11:27
OK, if it works i'll tell it you
Great program. Works fine on every of my SafeDisc games.
Hope u continue your work, n wont become silent like much others.
;)
dphekt
bOOls eYe
10-08-2002, 02:36
New version available on my website (http://boolseye.cjb.net), only one change this time:
- bugfix for Age Of Wonders 2 and Randevu
Enjoy!
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edit: v1.1.1 can also unwrap Anatomy "podmedsurg.exe" on Windows NT/2000/XP, not on Win 9x/me... i'm wondering if the SD protected file would run on it, actually :)
bOOls eYe
13-09-2002, 11:36
i had to search for this thread to find it back...
anyway this is the changelog for v1.1.2:
- No ReadProcessMemory on the .rsrc section anymore: this will unwrap some files a lot faster !
- Fixed bug in the SD 2.60.52 No-CD Loader, which might cause trouble if the protected file has API stuff protection
- Option to add commandline parameters in the SD 2.60.52 No-CD Loader
- Support added for Spider-Man The Movie (German), The Italian Job and Kizato
- Fixed bug causing the Cleaner to crash when a Safecast process is canceled (due to no response code or time limit expired)
- Fixed small bug in the SD 2.05.30 rebuilding routine, NBA Live 2001 unwraps successfully now
- Support 'added' for Safecast 2.11.20
download at my homepage ;)
have fun !
gh0sth@cker
13-09-2002, 11:54
great work :)
emptyeighty
13-09-2002, 13:53
Good job, keep it up!
Will there be full unwrap support for 2.60.xx in the near future?
bOOls eYe
14-09-2002, 01:16
yep, i think within a couple of weeks !
i already thank CirKutz & waste_me for telling me some useful information about v2.60.52...
emptyeighty
14-09-2002, 01:27
GOOOD!!!
*rubs his hands*
@cirkutz & waste_me
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!
Monty Burns
14-09-2002, 09:32
Nothing more to say than a big
THANK YOU !
And keep up your very good work!
themis_t
14-09-2002, 15:26
where s the download butto for your cleaner bools?
emptyeighty
14-09-2002, 19:02
boolseye.cjb.net
Choose your mirror, scroll down a bit and click on Mirror1 or Mirror2.
FallenSOne
16-09-2002, 10:13
unfortunately, neither method works to create a cdloader for the latest versions of civ3:(. anything beyond the original loaders level (1.07f) is 2.60.52 I believe and the loader doesnt work. but the new total war works so THANK YOU. my children are yours to do your manual labor.
bOOls eYe
16-09-2002, 10:19
what goes wrong ?
can you create a Loader actually ?
FallenSOne
16-09-2002, 16:57
yes, loaders are created, but it still asks for a cd... same thing for either of the method options
i installed Divine Divinity German - safedisk 2.60 loader works fine.
but DD isn't stable without the path under winxp, so i install the patch for DD.
DD has now safedisk 2.70 and the loader doesn't work anymore :(
bOOls eYe
17-09-2002, 01:14
@ FallenSOne
from the v1.1.2 readme:
"Even when i execute the No-CD Loader, the game still asks for the CD !
The Loader only bypasses the Safedisc CD-Check. Some additional cd-checks could be implemented in the game code. A backup cd (written with Nero or another burning program) should be enough to run the game."
yes, Civilization III has some additional CD-Checks.
btw, the Method of API Stuff Decryption option is only important for SD 2.40.1x and 2.51.2x protected games having API stuff. For all other versions, this option does nothing !!!
@ hexhex
give me your e-mail and i'll send you the SD 2.70.30 Loader for Divine Divinity.
i haven't included the general Loader for v2.70.30 in the Cleaner yet, as i have seen it's still a bit unstable...
themis_t
17-09-2002, 12:56
hexhex...i think he had said it before that the cleaner doe not work for v2,7...anyway....did you get your loader?
by the waY...bools eye ...i downloaded your cleaner today...hey man gongratulations...you made my day...lolololol;)
@themis_t
i got the loader today - but i test it in the evening today
@bOOls eYe
Thanks for the loader
themis_t
18-09-2002, 13:26
ok...plz give your results after trying....
clandestine
21-09-2002, 21:43
Bools Eye, is that Divine Divinity loader for the English version? And if so, could you email it to me? Thanks, in advance. :D
emptyeighty
23-09-2002, 11:33
*can't wait to get his hands on a new version*
bOOls eYe
23-09-2002, 11:49
Originally posted by clandestine
Bools Eye, is that Divine Divinity loader for the English version? And if so, could you email it to me?
the loader should work with all versions protected with Safedisc 2.70.30 (it's a generic loader), so it will not work with the latest 1.31...
it would be useful if you give me your e-mail so i can send it :)
clandestine
23-09-2002, 12:42
Of course,
[email protected] Thanks, :D
themis_t
24-09-2002, 13:28
hey...i want this 2 ... themis_t2**********com
bOOls eYe
25-09-2002, 01:38
sent to both.
computerdude
25-09-2002, 03:44
Just got Links 2003, has an exe called rukshuk.exe that has safedisc 2.60.52, anything I can do with that puppy? I can get the disk copied, installed, but when it does cd check it crashes out.
Thanks
Monty Burns
25-09-2002, 04:16
Try bOOl's eYe's cleaner. It may be able to create a loader.
Get it here (http://www14.brinkster.com/boolseye/).
computerdude
25-09-2002, 04:22
Tried that already, no luck..
bOOls eYe
25-09-2002, 07:01
it uses the same feature as "The Italian Job" and "Spider-Man" (and some other sd 2.70.30 files, like Mafia)
support will be added in next version.
computerdude
25-09-2002, 07:06
Sweet.... Any idea when that puppys coming out? BTW will the correct CD-RW drive let me copy this thing?
bOOls eYe
25-09-2002, 07:51
computerdude, you've got mail ;)
voidghost
25-09-2002, 08:13
Age of Wonders II uses sd 2.70.030 . Is that loader mentioned for Divine Divinity only or might it work for AoW2 too?
computerdude
25-09-2002, 08:17
Your the man, worked like a champ...
Thanks again..
bOOls eYe
26-09-2002, 11:21
Originally posted by voidghost
Age of Wonders II uses sd 2.70.030 . Is that loader mentioned for Divine Divinity only or might it work for AoW2 too?
it is created for Divine Divinity, but there's only a small modification required to work with Age Of Wonders 2 (aow2.exe instead of div.exe ;) )...
give me your e-mail address and i'll send you a loader for aow2.
waw , intereseinting to see R!sc name here!
cool a new unwrapper!
bOOls eYe
27-09-2002, 00:23
where have you been the last 3 months, packer ? :D
DevTech2000
28-09-2002, 02:52
Possibly get the loader for AoW2 as well :D
devtech2000********com
Thanks!
voidghost
28-09-2002, 11:16
the loader works fine, thanks bOOls eYe
generates a windows error dialog, but works nevertheless
themis_t
04-10-2002, 14:02
i think tha p[acker has been on vacation..so have i !!! lol
hi Boolseye.
May I try the loader for the french version, please?
[email protected]
Thanx again for your great work!!!:) ;) :)
i have been on holiday and had exams and stuff. i don;t come too regularly anyway anymore but i will be around. i hear this new SD2 can't be cloned by liteons? is that right?
bOOls eYe
06-10-2002, 02:14
Originally posted by billy19
May I try the loader for the french version, please?
for what game ?
bOOls eYe
06-10-2002, 02:17
Originally posted by packer
i hear this new SD2 can't be cloned by liteons? is that right?
they can be cloned with a lite-on, but you have to use DiscDump instead of CloneCD...
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55061
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55012
bools eye i can;t view those links you gave as i am not registered....
THanks
Oops...
Sorry bOOls eYE!
I meant Divine Divinity (hotfix 1 or 2)...
Thx again!!:)
bOOls eYe
07-10-2002, 00:35
ahh, those versions with SD 2.80.10 ... sorry mate, i don't have a loader for this SD version yet.
The original exe (without hotfixes) is 2.70 protected.
I guess the loader would work for this one...
Thx.
billy19
bOOls eYe
07-10-2002, 05:29
sent.
Thx bOOls eYe!
But, unfortunately, the loader doesn't work...
:(
Although the cleaner detects a 2.70.30 protection, the loader says the exe is not!
:confused:
bOOls eYe
08-10-2002, 00:13
then i think that the div.exe is not safedisc protected anymore...
SD2Cleaner looks for the SD string "BoG_ *90.0&!! Yy>" but the loader only checks if the entrypoint refers to Safedisc code.
do you get the typical "Please insert the correct CD-ROM ........" message when you run the div.exe ?
Yes, this is the message I get when I try to run div.exe of my backup...
bOOls eYe
08-10-2002, 03:32
i don't have any clue......
rar/ace and send the exe to bools_eye2000********com
Ok.
I'll do it as soon as possible (tonight I think)
Thanks.
emptyeighty
15-10-2002, 10:14
*sits here waiting for the new version to be released*
:rolleyes: :D
bOOls eYe
15-10-2002, 10:15
LOL
gh0sth@cker
15-10-2002, 11:19
Originally posted by emptyeighty
*sits here waiting for the new version to be released*
:rolleyes: :D
Can't wait.
Keep on working :p ;)
emptyeighty
15-10-2002, 13:26
"GO GO GO"
"Storm the exe!"
"Affirmative!"
"Get outta there, its gonna unwrap!!!"
:D
Monty Burns
15-10-2002, 14:38
Bool! Bool! Bool!
;) ;) ;)
bOOls eYe
16-10-2002, 01:56
Safedisc 2 Cleaner v1.2.0 is out ! yes !
Changelog:
- Full unwrap support for about 75% of all Safedisc 2.60.52 protected games !
- Support added for Links 2003 (Rukshuk.exe) and Spider-Man The Movie (French)
- Added option "Always create Loader for SD 2.60.52"
- "Random Logo Generator" :)
- Several minor internal improvements
i have 36 exe's protected with 2.60.52, 29 of them can be unwrapped. not bad ;)
post comments, results, etc here.
enjoy !!!
Dr Apocalypse
16-10-2002, 14:36
Appreciate the effort bOOls eYe, now take a well deserved break!
DrA.
emptyeighty
16-10-2002, 15:02
Originally posted by Dr Apocalypse
Appreciate the effort bOOls eYe, now take a well deserved break!
DrA.
Im sure hes just gettin started. We wanna see 2.70 and higher on its knees!
Monty Burns
16-10-2002, 16:28
Well done!
Always ask for help, if you need it!
emptyeighty
17-10-2002, 09:31
Originally posted by Monty Burns
Well done!
Always ask for help, if you need it!
Yep, anything!
Well, almost... ;)
bOOls eYe
18-10-2002, 01:12
yes, maybe you could help me.
if you have an exe protected with Safedisc 2.80.10 and if you have the original cd of it (you should have), please PM me.
i'm searching especially Divine Divinity (the latest updates are 2.80) and TCM 2003.
themis_t
18-10-2002, 16:44
you can post a thread.....
G'day bOOls eYe,
Good work on the unwrapper. Just wondering if you have a generic v2.72.00 loader that I could possibly try on Madden 2003.
I can't unwrap it as your program detects it as being a v2.72.00 protected safedisc file. I ran safedisc analyser on it and it appears that is the case.
Well thanks again.
bOOls eYe
20-10-2002, 02:53
i have a loader for sd 2.72.00, but it doesn't work for Madden 2003. sorry, can't help you.
themis_t
20-10-2002, 15:24
is there a list of the games like madden 2003?
thanks for your reply bools eye.
I ended up getting a copy of FLT's cracked madden 2003 EXE.
If you want I could send you the uncracked and cracked (Flt's cracked exe) so you can see what they did. This may help you in getting v2.72.00 support in your program?
Let me know what I can do to help.
Regards
Montanhas18
21-10-2002, 11:46
Originally posted by Pengo
thanks for your reply bools eye.
I ended up getting a copy of FLT's cracked madden 2003 EXE.
If you want I could send you the uncracked and cracked (Flt's cracked exe) so you can see what they did. This may help you in getting v2.72.00 support in your program?
Let me know what I can do to help.
Regards
Pengo, is this the Madden 2003 with the patch? If so, can you give the URL or FTP for it? Thanks :)
Download here: http://cirkutz.d2.net.au/files/index.html
for FLT's cracked madden 2003 v3.1 (patched version).
Montanhas18
22-10-2002, 01:42
Originally posted by Pengo
Download here: http://cirkutz.d2.net.au/files/index.html
for FLT's cracked madden 2003 v3.1 (patched version).
Thanks Pengo :) You saved the day... in fact you saved the whole weekend, month, year... whatever :)
themis_t
27-10-2002, 13:42
did he save a millenium or what?
mooseboy84
28-10-2002, 02:24
man, ive been trying to get this file. can someone send to mooseboy84x********com
that link dosent work. i could try to unpatch it myself if i had a unwrapper that worked with 2.72.
mooseboy84
28-10-2002, 03:47
sorry i didnt look there. i was at gamecopyworld 3 days ago when i registered for this board and they didnt have it then.
thanks
knight_inferno
28-10-2002, 23:59
Ive got Prisoner of War here, i have found that the actual Loader (that the autorun runs to install the game) "PrisonerLaunchEnglish.EXE" has (according to safedisc2 cleaner) Safedisc 2.70.030
I was reading this thread and it seems you have some kind of loader that works on some of these 2.7 games, i wouldnt mind trying it out if you think it could help me?
Keep up the good work on your cleaner, such an excellent tool, don't let them beat you :D
KNiGHT iNFeRNo
[email protected]
bOOls eYe
ive got the original NFSHP2.EXE (Hot Pursuit 2) and SIMS.EXE (Deluxe Edition) which your Cleaner reports as, SD 2.80.010 ... do you still want these???
bOOls eYe
29-10-2002, 11:25
Originally posted by knight_inferno
Ive got Prisoner of War here, i have found that the actual Loader (that the autorun runs to install the game) "PrisonerLaunchEnglish.EXE" has (according to safedisc2 cleaner) Safedisc 2.70.030
I was reading this thread and it seems you have some kind of loader that works on some of these 2.7 games, i wouldnt mind trying it out if you think it could help me?
you've got mail :)
bOOls eYe
29-10-2002, 11:26
Originally posted by vlozity
ive got the original NFSHP2.EXE (Hot Pursuit 2) and SIMS.EXE (Deluxe Edition) which your Cleaner reports as, SD 2.80.010 ... do you still want these???
no, i have them.
thanks anyway.
themis_t
01-11-2002, 21:20
ok...but is this a misteake of the cleaner,or something else?
bOOls eYe
02-11-2002, 00:42
heh, no, they are 2.80.10 :)
emptyeighty
02-11-2002, 12:28
bools, why is it impossible to unwrap SD 2.8 automatically?
bOOls eYe
03-11-2002, 03:32
heh, it's hard to explain... actually, you can do it, but then you should implement a whole disassembler in the unwrapper.
safedisc 2.80.10 introduced a very nasty feature... i cannot tell you much about it, sorry.
emptyeighty
03-11-2002, 10:20
Im sure youll beat it somehow.
twisted fate
04-11-2002, 11:07
You got anything that would help me out bOOls eYe's
email
[email protected]
greenblood
05-11-2002, 05:26
Maybe u could use the loader command line to copy to the game command line. For example if i start the loader with:
nocdloader -test
the loader would start the game with game.exe -test
that would be nice.
GB
bOOls eYe
05-11-2002, 11:31
yeah, i played with that idea a while... maybe i'll implement it, maybe not... as most SD 2.60.52 games can be unwrapped now.
thanks for the suggestion anyway.
Lecrumpler
05-11-2002, 15:04
Hi Bools Eye,i have a game exe infected with Safedisc 2.70.030,was reading the above posts and wondered if you could help me out with a loader for this type,just getting to be real pain shoveling disc all the time in and out of drive,not to mention wear and tear on it,also i wanted say thx for all your hard work and time spent helping others out thx it is appreciated cheers
:D lecrumpler**********com
greenblood
05-11-2002, 15:19
ok most games can be unwrapped but if i want to play online for example bf1942 i need a non changed exe file and thats the reason why i need the loader i wrote a program which did the job now, its not heaven on earth but i can now join games with the all seeing eye ;)
GB
Bool eye
we have Age of mythology and the cdwriter is not a Safedisc 2.51^ killer
can we try the SD 2.70.30 loader
thanks in advance
[email protected]
PS: Sorry for my english im still learning :)
bOOls eYe
06-11-2002, 11:33
AOM loader sent to Twisted Fate and Advan.
Thanks Bools eye
Runs Perfectly
Now i can play online without CD
biohazard6176
07-11-2002, 07:52
Great Work bOOls eYe!!! Could you also send me the SD 2.70.30 loader for Age Of Mythology?
[email protected]
Thanks much!!
luciano87
07-11-2002, 10:54
When will be ready for download an unwrapper for sd 2.70?
emptyeighty
07-11-2002, 14:19
Just be patient. Good things take their time.
Dr Apocalypse
07-11-2002, 19:12
If bOOls didn't have to keep sending loaders and answering questions it may give him more time to work on 2.70 :D
DrA.
arcoraven
10-11-2002, 18:43
I know bOOls eYe probably doesn't have time to reply to this cuz hes busy helping us out, but can anyone who he had sent the AOM loader to (Advan, Twisted Fate...) please send me the loader to my e-mail: pyroarcticraven**********com ? I dont want my AoM CD to get lost like my Age of Empires 2 CD did...that sucked...
Hey guys, my cd drive has pretty much bitten the dust, and i really need to get back on online with aom(have a clan match =))
If anybody could send the loader to gavy44**********com, it would be greatly appreciated.
Also great thanks to people like bools eYe who make this place as great as it is.
bOOls eYe
11-11-2002, 01:24
i submitted the loader to GCW, so wait until the site is updated.
emptyeighty
11-11-2002, 04:38
Will there be a new version of the cleaner in the near future?
bOOls eYe
11-11-2002, 05:54
don't expect a new version soon. i even doubt IF there will be a new one. v1.2.0 could be the final version...
arcoraven
11-11-2002, 18:54
OMG i've been going to gamecopyworld every 10 minutes or so...WHEN ARE THEY GONNA UPDATE?!?
hey bOOls eYe, will the loader work online with Ensembles Studio Online? cuz when i try that it says AOM was not installed correctly (mainly cuz it knows im using a crack)
Pigdog Ratsnake
12-11-2002, 15:21
I get a BSOD when I try to use the unwrapper or the loader. The same thing happens if I try to run a safedisc protected game w/o a CD. Is there some way I can get past the BSOD so I can create a loader?
Otherwise, in case anyone knows of an existing patch, the game in question is Medieval: Total War 1.1
Pigdog Ratsnake
12-11-2002, 15:28
Never mind, I found the patch at Siedler's.
Still get BSODs without it though. Something to think about perhaps if you're involved with this kind of stuff.
Orbis Factor
15-11-2002, 22:12
i recently burned 'mafia' and found it had sd v2.70.030, but i don't need to use a fixed exe. i must be lucky or is sd 2.70.xx really shit.
thebluegr
15-11-2002, 23:54
I would hate to lose this powerful tool. It has helped me save
valuable download times and allowed me to unwrap executables
for games that I couldn't find a no-cd crack.
If you stop producing the Unwrapper b00lseye, why not make its
source code public? This way, your work will be continued by
someone else (hopefully), the same way you continued r!sks
work ;)
What is the new feature in SD 2.80.10 that makes it hard to
unrwap?
I would really like to see how your program works, I have read
ArthaXerXes essays on the subject but a lot of things have
changed with Safedisk in the last two years.
Hope to hear from you soon :)
thebluegr
bOOls eYe
16-11-2002, 00:52
Originally posted by Orbis Factor
i recently burned 'mafia' and found it had sd v2.70.030, but i don't need to use a fixed exe. i must be lucky or is sd 2.70.xx really shit.
if you have a good burner that corrects EFM encoding ("2 sheep"-burner), you shouldn't have any problem.
Orbis Factor
16-11-2002, 01:06
i have a LiteOn 40125S
bOOls eYe
16-11-2002, 02:53
Originally posted by thebluegr
If you stop producing the Unwrapper b00lseye, why not make its source code public? This way, your work will be continued by someone else (hopefully), the same way you continued r!sks work ;)
i will never release the source code, as it would help Macrovision. i'm sure they have disassembled my tool, but it's harder to analyse it without the source, isn't it ? ;)
I would really like to see how your program works, I have read ArthaXerXes essays on the subject but a lot of things have changed with Safedisk in the last two years.
yep... you can find lots of information about SD1, but almost nothing about SD2.
i think the few people who are able to crack the latest SD versions, have understand that they crack against themselves if they release an unwrapper. as soon as there's an unwrapper for a new version available, Macrovision will update their protection. only quite small changes, but for every new version you have to create a new unwrapper.
Orbis Factor
16-11-2002, 20:33
why do these companies even bother with protections anyway? i mean there's heaps of people out there that can find a way past them so why bother, i know i wouldn't
thebluegr
16-11-2002, 20:39
OK, point taken about the source code
Why don't you make an essay on SD2 then? Not a lot of people
have information about it as you said, and an essay would not reveal your program's inner workings
thebluegr
HughBackov
18-11-2002, 14:15
Originally posted by bOOls eYe
i will never release the source code, as it would help Macrovision. i'm sure they have disassembled my tool, but it's harder to analyse it without the source, isn't it ? ;)
Macrovision doesn't need your source or even to disassemble your tool. They already know all the ways to unwrap their own stuff since they wrote it. They know the vulnerabilities of their system, and they also know that with enough time and effort others will discover them. That is why they constantly change their protection. Regardless of what you do, Macrovision will constantly revise its protection. You only hurt the user community by withholding it.
Rather than focusing on a keyless unwrapper, I would like to see a tutorial or utility which makes use the original CD-ROM. I think that is the inherent weakness of these copy-protection systems. The key to decrypt them is widely available since it is embedded in the original CD. There is no real need to guess it.
ByteMare
19-11-2002, 00:04
why make it easy for Macrovision? You don't have to show them exactly what you have done to reverse their protection
"oh the nasty hackers set a breakpoint there??!! Well, we'll fix that in the next version which we'll release tomorrow"
Please excuse my lame attempt to put some sarcasm here :D
HughBackov
19-11-2002, 01:28
Originally posted by ByteMare
why make it easy for Macrovision? You don't have to show them exactly what you have done to reverse their protection
It is already easy for them. They have already obsoleted Bool's unwrapper without his code. So, he should share his code and knowledge with other like-minded users. Many heads are certainly better than one.
The user community will always be playing catch-up because the copy-protection developers do not sit on their products. The developers certainly realize that any protection can be broken especially when the key for the protection is distributed with it. The only chance users really have to counter this continual change to the protection is through collaboration, and that requires sharing of knowledge and resources. As talented as individuals like Bool are, there are dozens of developers who are just as talented working full-time with tremendous resources behind them to create and revise these protections. A "lone wolf" mentality will not be successful in this situation, and we are seeing the results of that right now.
Although you make good points hugh I think that it's mostly opinions, not guaranteed facts.
I agree it's *not* a good idea to have the lone wolf mentality in this case, but there are a few things one must consider.
First, it is up to bool and we should respect him for that. Whether or not he continues for whatever reason should not be a call for the community to *thumbs down* the move. If we all liked his work, isn't it polite to give him breathing room and let him off the hook?
Secondly, who *knows* if bool is truly a lone wolf? :)
As far as I've seen he's pretty social and actually finds time to answer questions and emails. ;)
bOOls eYe
20-11-2002, 08:23
First: no, i'm not a "lone wolf". So far, some people have been very helpful to me.
Second: i have never said that i will definitely stop with this project. i only said that you will have to wait for support for new versions. in case you may be interested: i do have an unwrapper for Safedisc 2.70.30 and 2.72.00 and a half-automatic one for 2.80.1x, but it would be very stupid to release them now, for the reason i have explained in a previous post. i will think about releasing them when Safedisc 3.60 is out :p.
emptyeighty
20-11-2002, 12:03
Cracks are available for most games anyway.
As long as it gets released at some point for games that no one makes cracks for thats fine.
HughBackov
20-11-2002, 15:20
Originally posted by bOOls eYe
i do have an unwrapper for Safedisc 2.70.30 and 2.72.00...
There is absolutely no reason to wait on those versions then as they are already obsolete.
HughBackov
20-11-2002, 15:31
Originally posted by emptyeighty
Cracks are available for most games anyway.
While that is currently true (depending on your definition of "available" and "most"), I'd like to see more people working on the problem so that the number of available cracks is closer to "all" versions of "all" games. Copy-protection is getting more prevalent and more evolved every day, and the only way to counter it is with alot more people working on the problem.
HughBackov
20-11-2002, 19:04
Originally posted by CirKutz
Are you sure? I mean 100% sure. I don't think so, most safedisc versions aren't 'obsolete'.
From a useage standpoint, those versions are obsolete. New games won't be released which use them. Macrovision is already up to at least v2.80 of Safedisc since the latest games use that. Older versions are only used for updates to games which have already been released and even then some publishers release the updates using the latest version of Safedisc instead of using the one originally used on the game when it was released.
thebluegr
20-11-2002, 23:25
I don't understand the logic that an unwrapper for a SD version should be released when this version is obsolete. SoftICE will always exist to unwrap games and there will always be sites that have nocd cracks. So what is the point? Macrovision already know that the current version of their protection has been defeated, so what difference will this tool make to them? Probably none.
thebluegr
bOOls eYe
21-11-2002, 03:55
it will make a difference. the sooner everyone can make a crack, the sooner Macrovision will release a new version.
it will make a difference. the sooner everyone can make a crack, the sooner Macrovision will release a new version.
i find that two weak a point to stop any arguments... specially coming from you. given the facts, cracked exe's and games out on the net... etc., what difference does it make if an unwrapper becomes available, publicly? :confused:
thebluegr
21-11-2002, 04:03
So, that means that there should be an unwrapper for the previous version of Safedisk. If the current version is 2.80.10, why not release the unwrapper for all versions up to 2.72.00? Plus, I don't think that versions older than 2.80 are of any concern to Macrovision - even software developers upgrade the Safedisk version used in their programs via patches.
Therefore I propose to release the unwrapper for SD versions up to 2.72.00 :D
thebluegr
thebluegr
21-11-2002, 04:09
Plus, don't forget cd-copying programs like Alcohol, which can beat Safedisk up to its current version :p
thebluegr
22-11-2002, 00:56
Let me rephrase that:
Which one would be easier, creating an OS similar to Linux or
similar to Windows?
Arguments:
- People can access the source code of Linux
- There are many papers about the source code of Linux and it's
architecture (M$ always treats several aspects of Windows as a
black box)
- Many people are working on the source code (that's why Linux
tends to have less bugs than Windows).
Now if we transferred these arguments to Safedisk...
thebluegr
thebluegr
22-11-2002, 03:37
OK I rest my case. I'm tired of debating over this. In the end, the fate of each program is on the hands of its creator. I just hope that there will be a new version of this excellent tool because there is nothing that even remotely resembles it. (except, of course, to do a 1:1 copy of the cds with Alcohol/Blindwrite).
No hard feelings please, I was just telling my opinion (didn't want to offend anyone or push b00ls to do something he doesn't want to do).
thebluegr
emptyeighty
22-11-2002, 07:27
As i pointed out earlier: As long as they get released at some point its ok by me.
The AOM loader doesn't work multiplayer for v1.01. When you try connecting to ESO it comes back with "Games was installed incorrectly. Please reinstall". I've reinstalled, repatched still same thing. Singleplayer works though.
Your 3rd mirror on the site scrapped your page.
This is a valid point, if there is only a small number of people that know how to defeat and keep it to themselves, then there isn't as much urgency for macrovision to release an update.
so why defeat it in the first place if your gonna keep it to yourselves? i thought the purpose of this board is to help each other out, its supposed to be a community to help each other backup the games... and part of that is creating a no cd cracked executable to retain the value of the original and thus prolong its life! Geez, if everyone thought that way then there would be no GCW!
In another way, if a new version of SD was release that every burner could burn, without too much trouble. Would macrovision update, yes, because if many people can do it, without much help from cracks and stuff, they loose more revenue. How many people don't know what cracks are, but can use a burner?
again... what difference does it make??? so bOOls eYe's unwrapper is the same as peeps burning 1:1 copies, so why hold it and not release it? if not release it, then make public the info to defeat it! if i had the time and knew how, i'd tell the world... i know i dont just speak for myself! :eek:
Unwrappers are tools to undo a protection scheme, its use can be easily blocked if the steps that are taken by unwrappers are easily seen. Macrovision already know some of the breakpoints and other areas of code, but if new unwrappers are used they can block more and more off, it just becomes a pain in the ass. And is anyone getting paid here for unwrapping (finding the bugs) the protection scheme? Hell NO. Let them spend thousands to millions and let just the few that can unwrap do it.
these SD are a pain in the arse! if no one breaks it... then we are at their mercy, and that means they can do whatever they want! Wake up!
emptyeighty
24-11-2002, 12:40
People should stop complaining and start reading tutorials.
ByteMare
24-11-2002, 15:28
Maybe reading a few tutorials (starting out with SD1) would make people realize what a pain in the ass it is to reverse Safedisc..
if you learn SD1 then try with SD2..the first versions of SD2 was a complete joke..they just stuck all shit in one file but internally the file had almost no changes at all..grab the source code for R!sc's unwrapper, study it and see if you understand *anything*???
Then grab SoftIce and try it out on SD.. trial and error...you will learn by the mistakes (i did!)...see if you can see what going on and do you understand it?
Again, try reversing an SD1 game first....then maybe ;)
bOOls eYe
25-11-2002, 06:00
many people won't like this, but i have decided to stop the development of Safedisc 2 Cleaner.
i have removed the greatest part of my website, i just put a link to Gamefix where you can download SD2Cleaner v1.2.0.
no hard feelings please, as this program took too much of my time. i hope you understand.
Dr Apocalypse
25-11-2002, 07:16
:)
I knew this would happen! I bet r!sc is laughing his ass off, this is exactly what happened to him, bombarded with whingers and whiners demanding he keep updating his unwrapper. It's bOOl's time and effort and consideration that brought this tool to everyone and all people do is whine!
Well done bOOls, glad to see you've got the guts to say enough is enough, now you can get some of your life back :D
DrA.
Played bOOls, dont blame you for stopping.
emptyeighty
25-11-2002, 09:22
I do understand. Hope there will be somebody else though...
"many people won't like this, but i have decided to stop the development of Safedisc 2 Cleaner. no hard feelings please, as this program took too much of my time. i hope you understand"
Sorry to hear that Bools eye.
Looks like Macrovision has won again by virtue of having enough sheep working at keyboards to keep their sorry product evolving.
Thanks for all ya work. You may not belive it but many peeps are thankful for the time and effort you've put in. I certainly couldn't have been arsed.
Sadly there will always be immature wankers around to whinge when the honey stops.
Good luck matey
thebluegr
26-11-2002, 17:49
I am sorry to hear about the end of this great tool.
Thanks for your great tool b00ls, it has helped to defeat those
a$$hole$ at Macrovi$ion for as long as it lasted. Not many
people have the will and the knowledge to create such a tool
Sorry to see you go and thanks for your work on SD :)
Take care
thebluegr
many people won't like this, but i have decided to stop the development of Safedisc 2 Cleaner.
sorry to hear that... it is your life anyways. but it would be a waste not to release some info about the latest sd thus continuing the battle somehow.
Monty Burns
27-11-2002, 21:51
Originally posted by bOOls eYe
many people won't like this, but i have decided to stop the development of Safedisc 2 Cleaner.
Thanx for your work, mate. You have done a good job and you deserve this "retirement".
Thanx again and cu,
Monty
Bools, tell me how to catch ya on ircnetworks, im from .pl , and need to find solution how to crk this f*king safedisc... most of .pl games are protected with this shit, and .pl crackers cannot crk it :/
i saw your loader to this version of safedisc , i just wounder it was made by hand or by secret unwrapper :) ? We need help! :/
thebluegr
28-11-2002, 03:10
need to find solution how to crk this f*king safedisc... most of .pl games are protected with this shit, and .pl crackers cannot crk it :/ i saw your loader to this version of safedisc , i just wounder it wa made by hand or by secret unwrapper?
You are kidding right? If you are such good crackers can't you reverse engineer his prog? If you even bothered to check his program, you would see it is based on r!sk's unsafedisk and dec0de12's Safedisk Analyzer, which are both open source (however, it also includes the code from CirKutz's unsafeshit 2.51.x, which is not publically available)
So it is not made by a "secret unwrapper". It is hand made in assembly (hence the size).
thebluegr
thebluegr
28-11-2002, 03:31
Originally posted by bOOls eYe
(...)i do have an unwrapper for Safedisc 2.70.30 and 2.72.00 and a half-automatic one for 2.80.1x (...)
Is there a chance that we will see these unwrappers at some point? You said you will stop making new versions... however the unwrappers for these versions (2.70.30, 2.72.00) are already done. So... how about making a nice goodbye and "retirement" message by releasing them? (Safedisk cleaner 1.2.1 last version)?
(how about making it a Christmas present? :p )
I know I'm asking too much here, but please b00ls, at least give it a thought.
Sad to see this program end :(
thanks
thebluegr
groundhog
28-11-2002, 04:50
hi,
@ bools :
I always used ur unwrapper .. it rocked... but like r!sc did, i think u should pass on the source to someone else or at least make public the last version so we can go on with you legacy....
Just think ... in a couple of months you can see ur name in someone elses programcredits ... :D :D
Would be nice to have ur name remembered long after youve quit the SD unwrapping scene !
Well, I never complained or whined about a game not working but we need to continue this .. its too good to waste ...
greets , happy retirement and cheers m8 !
Excellent program ! big up yourself ! :D
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