Plex 2410a and CCD 4 with sfv2.51 and up? [Archive]

Morglum007

08-04-2002, 02:39

Hi all people!

Just a question....has anybody copied a sfv 2.51 protected game?
I have tried trains and trucks tycoon, MOHAA for example without succeed. Have copied fifa 2002 but don't know if is sf v 2.51 protected so don't know if my plex will do some 2.51 or none.
If anyone has succeed please let me know telling what ASPI, firmware and other options do you use...

Thanks....

TIP:Ollie seems to have succeed with MOHAA

alwaysilva

08-04-2002, 09:15

Fifa 2002 it's not 2.51. It's 2.4.

gh0sth@cker

08-04-2002, 11:09

I just gave Serious Sam SE a go and it didn't work (in other drives) but I think this is cos I wrote and burned at max (just to test it out).

So I will try now with the low speed settings and let you know.

gh0sth@cker

08-04-2002, 11:49

Sh*t, didn't work.

Wonder what settings the ppl who had success used?

themis_t

08-04-2002, 13:08

ppl?(ppl=people?)

gh0sth@cker

08-04-2002, 13:42

yea

Morglum007

09-04-2002, 06:26

Ok people and in special to Ghosthacker...i 've been looking for what is happening and in a spanish forum i found that plextor( any speed) writes sfv2.51 and up without problems....maybe firmware or a thing that is more impressive.....blindsuite do the job!!!!!

By now still trying..will test when available...

Good luck!

themis_t

09-04-2002, 12:23

try it and give us your opinion on this...

Morglum007

10-04-2002, 03:17

Ok ...lets see.....after trying a lot of possible configurations with my plex 24x i had success if i write at 1x (maybe it will work for 2 or 4x) but there is a but....it only works from the plex with cloneCD hide cd r media option activated...from my toshiba dvd sdm1402 it fails and shows the "typical" .tmp error...so it works at 50%. I have read it could be no problem in a future releases of clone..but must wait.....

By now....be patient!

Good luck!

gh0sth@cker

10-04-2002, 11:14

Originally posted by Morglum007
it only works from the plex
That means it has failed. The Plex was always able to copy it to be playable in the Plex, but not other drives - Betablocker fixed this.

This is strange cos other ppl have reported success? What TLA # is yours, and what firmware?

I've TLA 0101 and fireware 1.03

packer

10-04-2002, 12:19

So what do you think of CCD 4? what are your impressions so far?

gh0sth@cker

10-04-2002, 12:39

It is now dummy-proof as it does the settings for you - so there should be less "What settings do I use for...Game X. But its not what it's been made out to be with regards to SD 2.51 and my Plexy. Some say they have success, but I can't seem to replicate their success. Olli even said he had success - maybe he'll get it complete soon - hopefully :confused:

themis_t

10-04-2002, 13:37

don't know...i prefer tha old time classic way...

ssjkakaroto

15-04-2002, 04:57

i tried to copy too with ccd4b21 and it only worked on my plex so i tried using cdmate and the copy worked on all my drives (cd, dvd, burner)
Firmware 1.03
TLA #0101

Morglum007

15-04-2002, 05:43

Hi all again.....let's see....i've tried a lot of programs including cdMate and the result were the same on all....it worked only on my plextor.....
And one more thing......what's TLA?
I've heard a lot of it but don't know what it means....thanks!

gh0sth@cker

15-04-2002, 10:21

Originally posted by Morglum007
And one more thing......what's TLA?

During manufacture, the drives are often changed and tweaked so they are given different TLA number to distinguish between them. When the Plex 24X came out, there was #'s, 0000, 0100 and 0101. There were A LOT of rumours going round that only the 0000 could copy SD2 - this of course turned out to be lies.
There are now many different TLA numbers for the Plex - but I don't honestly think it's making a difference.

BTW: To find the TLA you have to look on the drive itself, which involves opening up your comp and fiddling around till you find that tiny sticker.

themis_t

15-04-2002, 13:36

i wouldn' suggest that...

Morglum007

15-04-2002, 14:11

Another rumour has arrived to plextor users....i didn't verified it but it "seems" that a copy of sfv2.51 protected games is possible READING with cloneCD WHITHOUT any special option activated...i say....read without fast skip errors,reading subchannel data and the other i don't remember...just will try but if any tests it please post results here!
Thanks and good luck!

TIP: complete reading must take about 30 min.

podunkviller

15-04-2002, 19:47

that makes no sense whatsoever

DeanI

15-04-2002, 19:50

i agree podunkviller

gh0sth@cker

16-04-2002, 10:26

That's total bulls**t :p :p LOL - Fast Error Skip is a must have.

themis_t

16-04-2002, 13:52

i can't believe that there are people that can believe these rumours...if this is real(impossible) then we have been making fake good copies....:rolleyes:

podunkviller

17-04-2002, 23:25

themis, i think olli left a place so that advanced users can create their own profiles for certain types of cd's, I E you could make a safedisc 2 one, a securom new one, etc......thats what i got from the review @ www.cdfreaks.com :)

i think that can separate ya from the noobs :)

Morglum007

18-04-2002, 04:48

Ok..let's see people.....i'm desperated like a lot of people with its plextor are so every rumour that appears must be studied and tried.i have burnt a lot of coaster with this f******* version of safedisc and in all the forum i've been the only thing i learned is that only few people burnt sf v2.51 and up successfully that worked on every cd-r system( i think this is a fake or half-true)
In fact i only have copies that works on my plex only

Still Trying....

Good luck!

podunkviller

18-04-2002, 12:16

did u try the betablocker fix?

gh0sth@cker

18-04-2002, 13:15

But then that's not perfect.....

themis_t

19-04-2002, 15:02

yes but let's not want everything for us....yes?

noyb1

20-04-2002, 02:44

Hi peeps,

As you can see by my post count, I'm new to posting here, however, I'm NOT new to this site nor to 1:1 burning.

I'm posting this in an effort to help shed some light into this whole Plex and SD 2.51.021+ thing. Trust it will help.

I have several Plextors, including 24/10/40 models, and I can say for a fact that, at least, these Plex's DO make 1:1 copies of SD 2.51.021. At least, all the 24/10/40 Plex units I have DO, all having the same TLA# of 0202. FYI, SD 2.60, i.e. found in Stronghold's latest patch, eats the 1:1 copy no problem, as well.

All my 24/10/40 Plex's with TLA# 0202 and F/W 1.03 WILL do 1:1 copies of SD 2.51.021+ that install and play in OTHER CD-ROM readers, I have tried the 1:1 copies in over half a dozen different readers and they all work fine, some are cheap and old readers, as well as, newer and more expensive.

Example of Tested Readers:
08x Creative
32x Teac
32x Teac (SCSI)
40x iomagic
48x Sony
50x Sony
52x Digital Research
40x Plextor

The 1:1 copies have been achieved withOUT the aid of AWS, BetaBlocker or alike. The 1:1 copies have been done BOTH using a 3rd party reader AND using the Plex to do the reading and writing, as well. Both methods have produced true 1:1 copies.

The titles were tested and confirmed to have SD2 protection using various utils such as Clony, Yaps, etc, as well as, visual inspection of the Disc contents and verified as v2.51.021 with SafeDisc Analyser.

The settings used with CloneCD (v3341) were as follows:

Read: FES, x4, 3 Tries, None (software setting will also work)
Write: x4,
All other settings at DEFAULT.

BTW, I have not tested the new Plex 40/12/40, so I do NOT know if the above is applicable to it, as well. Also, I have NOT tested with the CloneCD 4 betas.

Trust this helps.

gh0sth@cker

20-04-2002, 04:20

That's very strange that you were able to achieve this with CCD 3.3.x.x.

But thanks for the info anyway.

packer

20-04-2002, 09:39

Thanks for that info; i will take into consideration.....

themis_t

20-04-2002, 13:28

hey,how can we have so many people telling us that have problems with copying 2,51 with these burners and just take 1 ocasion in 100...how strabge huh?

podunkviller

21-04-2002, 00:57

i wouldnt be surprised. of course, since i have a subpar other cdrom to read w/.......i cant test it out

Morglum007

22-04-2002, 05:45

i have tested it reading from other sources but always fails and always give me the same error: df34534.tmp error ( or something like)on my toshiba dvd sd-m1402. Don't know were is the problem..maybe TLA maybe windows..don't know.

I'm quite desperate

(All other backups with securom new, laserlock v5 and starforce are no problem but this version is getting me mad!!!!!!!!!!

gh0sth@cker

22-04-2002, 11:01

New news:
There's a new firmware revision out for the Plex 24X. It's only available at the Japanese site at the moment. You can download it from there (will work OK) or wait for your native country's release.

I haven't tested it yet - fingers crossed that the Plex team have fixed the little glitch.

themis_t

22-04-2002, 12:28

if this happens i am going to go and by a new burner...let's hope it happens....

Morglum007

26-04-2002, 02:42

DOwnloaded and tried...Still no luck!

Lets' wait!

gh0sth@cker

26-04-2002, 10:17

damn it :mad: :mad:

emptyeighty

26-04-2002, 15:40

Plexes seem to be very strange.
How fortunate that i have a Creative.
Doesnt even have RAW-Mode...

podunkviller

26-04-2002, 22:21

plextor will never release a firmware update that allows 2.51 copying, according to cdfreaks. they say its a chipset thing, and they are usually right.

packer

27-04-2002, 05:51

unlucky

Morglum007

29-04-2002, 06:53

Think that a new realease of firmware will not change any more things.This is a Primary Burning Chipset issue so only software will do the job. Now it seems that macrovision prepared it sfv2.51 version to knock down plextors. Let's hope Olli will found an alternative way soon.

Good luck!

themis_t

29-04-2002, 14:19

time is the best 1 to answer our questions...

gh0sth@cker

29-04-2002, 14:23

hmmm.....time is a relative thing......

themis_t

02-05-2002, 06:02

why do you think so?

packer

05-05-2002, 10:22

law of relativity

themis_t

05-05-2002, 13:08

oh...yes....

laffin tattie

07-05-2002, 11:14

Originally posted by noyb1
Hi peeps,

As you can see by my post count, I'm new to posting here, however, I'm NOT new to this site nor to 1:1 burning.

I'm posting this in an effort to help shed some light into this whole Plex and SD 2.51.021+ thing. Trust it will help.

I have several Plextors, including 24/10/40 models, and I can say for a fact that, at least, these Plex's DO make 1:1 copies of SD 2.51.021. At least, all the 24/10/40 Plex units I have DO, all having the same TLA# of 0202. FYI, SD 2.60, i.e. found in Stronghold's latest patch, eats the 1:1 copy no problem, as well.

All my 24/10/40 Plex's with TLA# 0202 and F/W 1.03 WILL do 1:1 copies of SD 2.51.021+ that install and play in OTHER CD-ROM readers, I have tried the 1:1 copies in over half a dozen different readers and they all work fine, some are cheap and old readers, as well as, newer and more expensive.

Example of Tested Readers:
08x Creative
32x Teac
32x Teac (SCSI)
40x iomagic
48x Sony
50x Sony
52x Digital Research
40x Plextor

The 1:1 copies have been achieved withOUT the aid of AWS, BetaBlocker or alike. The 1:1 copies have been done BOTH using a 3rd party reader AND using the Plex to do the reading and writing, as well. Both methods have produced true 1:1 copies.

The titles were tested and confirmed to have SD2 protection using various utils such as Clony, Yaps, etc, as well as, visual inspection of the Disc contents and verified as v2.51.021 with SafeDisc Analyser.

The settings used with CloneCD (v3341) were as follows:

Read: FES, x4, 3 Tries, None (software setting will also work)
Write: x4,
All other settings at DEFAULT.

BTW, I have not tested the new Plex 40/12/40, so I do NOT know if the above is applicable to it, as well. Also, I have NOT tested with the CloneCD 4 betas.

Trust this helps.

hey ghosthacker , podunkviller , emptyeighty

why did you give grief over me being able to copy sd2.51 with my plex 24x when this guy posted back then that he was able to do it , you ranted and raved it was not possible and so on and that i was the only one who claimed to have success but here is someone else and you were aware of this post since you posted here yourself .

laffin tattie

07-05-2002, 11:17

Originally posted by podunkviller
plextor will never release a firmware update that allows 2.51 copying, according to cdfreaks. they say its a chipset thing, and they are usually right.

usually does not mean always , as in this case they are wrong .

gh0sth@cker

07-05-2002, 12:45

This guy gave clear, concise information on what settings he used, the hardware, and the results. He gives information such as TLA#, firmware etc. He stated all these clearly to give us an insight into what his Plex has achieved. We accept this information take it on board and move on as the few replies after his posts show.
With the other topic in the other forum with you, you repeat your point over and over, and there just is no point. You don't take it into the depth that this guy has taken it.

emptyeighty

07-05-2002, 13:06

Nuff said.

themis_t

07-05-2002, 13:50

nuff?

gh0sth@cker

07-05-2002, 14:10

enough

laffin tattie

07-05-2002, 14:50

Yeah yeah you can say im going over old ground but it seems you have a bee in your bonnet about something .

You either think the plex 24x can or cannot copy sd2.51 without the use of beta blocker . Make your mind up as you did say you would not believe it unless someone else posted with same results , well here you are and its not cougeruk (who is one of my alias's) , lol , yeah right .

So are you saying you believe this guy noyb1?

gh0sth@cker

07-05-2002, 15:30

I'm not saying I believe his findings. But I'm not saying I don't believe them. We will take his findings on board and draw up our own conclusions based on the evidence that is there.

laffin tattie

07-05-2002, 15:38

so could i ask you what your conclusion actually is , do you believe him or not .

packer

08-05-2002, 06:06

enough off the enough said thing already!

laffin tattie

08-05-2002, 06:24

who cares about your "enough said" i would like a reply from ghosthacker and nobody else .
Im curious as to what his conclusion .

Jeez you guys dont half stick together .

packer

08-05-2002, 06:32

i was talking in general, when people say 'nuff said' i don;t like that!

laffin tattie

08-05-2002, 06:40

ok dokay packer , my sincere apologies .

gh0sth@cker

08-05-2002, 10:23

You want my conclusion?

Based on the total evidence I have got to date, I conclude that the Plex 24X cannot copy SD2.51 without modifcation by Betablocker etc. Until more conclusive evidence that it can copy it appears, that will be my conclusion.

Happy now??

I have my opinion, and you have yours.

Goodbye

laffin tattie

08-05-2002, 10:29

goodbye , lol .

podunkviller

08-05-2002, 14:29

i say we hook laffin tattie up to a polygraph, and then beat him with a stick. then ask him the questions. see how it goes. maybe im being irrational,

laffin tattie

08-05-2002, 14:40

how about i just beat you with a stick

that was a very grown up suggestion , did playgroup teach you that , bubba bubba .

podunkviller

08-05-2002, 14:45

19 posts... how many of them helped people, how many harrassed people for calling you a liar, and how many claimed you had the only plex in existence that can copy 2.51 ?

laffin tattie

08-05-2002, 15:25

well 19 posts maybe but if anyone needs help cloning sd2,51 with a 24x plex im your man .

if your post count means so much and that gives you an instant superior status, well chew on this , i have - 1332 (2.91 posts per day) at another forum (veteran status) , registered 02-05-2001 , i provide a back up service , i have sold countless cloned copies of mohaa and sims on holiday , and all the other sd2.51 titles , all of which worked for the happy customer.
Please note the customer owned the original copy i was supplying a back up as they did not have the hardware to do it themselves .
All my posts were not just thru selling ,also helping others when i can and asking many technical questions i needed an answer for , and i usually got a friendly helpful response .
Almost everyone is friendly there and very helpful and it does not have 3 or 4 main posters who think they know all.

themis_t

08-05-2002, 16:26

hey,let's all calm down here..it's not a fight forum..we help people here!!!!!!!!hey,can you please give me the adress of the forum you are a veteran member?i want to check it out and see some of your replies......if you are so good at copy protection then you would have registered at fileforums much earlier.......well,the thing you can is send a copy of yours at a main site admin(cd freaks....)and ask him very kindly to check this copy and what it was used for making this...then,if he finds that everything you said was real he will post this and noboby will have any doupts....i hope we can give a silution to this and not argue.....

@packer

let's try to find what is going on here not be so......oligarchic.....

laffin tattie

08-05-2002, 16:56

i have to say that is the most civilized response i have had , i dont think its good policy to post links to other forums as i dont think its allowed .
I dont claim to be an expert on copy protection , but i have a lot of cloning experience , i dont go into the in and outs of it , i dont go to cd freaks website and i know damn all about "olli" and i dont really care what "olli" said about anything , but people continually quote "olli" and cd freaks , i just go on my own findings , if i have a problem i ask on the other forum i use and 9 times out of 10 i get the help i need .
i came over here to find out one or two things i was not getting a reply on in the other forum , spotted ghosthacker mention that the plextor 24x could not clone sd2.51 without beta blocker , well i had to correct him . But no way hosey would anyone accept my ability to clone sd2,51 . In fact id say a few certain people tried to make an arse out of me .

You cannot say my ability to clone copy protected games means i should have registered ages ago , i did find a lot of info on cdmediaworld and gamecopyworld but never joined the forum although i did read the posts often .

If i were to post a cd to cdfreaks they would have no proof of what hardware was used to copy it .

I dont understand why you want to check out my posts on another forum , my status there should not alter the way people treat me here , i did not come on here and state i was a veteran at so and so forum in order to get some recognition . I only mentioned this as a certain person tried to make an arse of my 19 posts .

and hey themis_t , im telling it like it is , please dont think im having a go at the things you said , it was a decent reply you gave but im just giving you an insight to some of the things you mentioned .

If i could prove in any way that the plex 24 can clone sd2.51 i would , but i dont think its possible unless you come round to my house , but i dont think thats possible , if someone sends me £100 i will post it to them in the uk and they can try it themselves , but i dont think anyone will , lol .

Warm Regards
Laughing Potato

themis_t

08-05-2002, 17:12

ok...i trust you but not get on your side or anyones else..i want to have my own opinion!

laffin tattie

08-05-2002, 19:26

i have contacted oc_freak from cdfreaks.com , i will try and find out what info they have on the plextors 24x that can do the discussed copy protection . will be back soon .
oc_freak is a member at the other forum i use so he will know by my posts there that im genuine (hopefully) , lol.

podunkviller

08-05-2002, 21:54

sorry about harrassing you, but usually we try and help here. i'll still wager 20 % of your posts here are 'i can copy 2.51 w/my plex' and 80 % are 'i dont care that you cant, because i can'. it seems every thread become a bitter argument between you and everyone else posting, until it falls off the 1st page, then it starts on a new thread.

the reason everyone quotes olli is because olli is on top of all things copy related. if he says it can't be done, i believe him. and as for cdfreaks, they do the most in-depth reviews of every writer that comes out. they test protected cd's, audio cd's, read times, and everything in between. they say the plex cant read/write 2.51 w/out betablocker. (or clonecd4.0.0.1)

the biggest thing that was/is working against you was that you said you used AWS. it just doesntt make sense. ill accept it, and keep using my philips, though. happy cloning.

packer

09-05-2002, 06:42

Themist what does that suppose to mean?

the moral of the story....is

if someone syas they can backup somehing,perfectly and i mean no betablocker, aws, cracks, patches, iso fixes, daemon tools, playback or anything like that whatso ever, oh and they must work in all cd drives then you gotto believe him, but it may be a flpook.....just like the arugment i had at another forum.....

themis_t

09-05-2002, 15:00

this means i will keep my opinion on the subject........hey,we are not talking about this kind perfect copies....if it was this way a perfect copy would be able to be made at any burner.....

emptyeighty

10-05-2002, 07:26

Hi again

First thing is i want to apologise to you, laffin tattie. And everyone else i harassed in any way. I posted some s*it that was really no good.

Second thing is i think that podunkvillers right when he says that every thread of yours has become a bitter fight. Of course im to blame for that partly. But when i first entered the discussion i was friendly until you came up with that illegal stuff which was against the rules.

Third thing is im really glad that we can have a normal discussion now. Its much better this way. I can go along with themis when he says this is not a fight forum.

laffin tattie

10-05-2002, 08:39

glad to see a more pleasant mood now .

i think a few people on here should learn a lesson from this , not all newbies are total novices and you dont need to get on someones back because you think that person is wrong .That is what got my back up . Being a little more friendly would help .

Legal or illegal stuff , were here to discuss backing up games etc , and come on none of us are law abiding citizens , i know you cant discuss illegal stuff here , but what i do with my back ups is not related to this forum and that does not make me a bad person nor does in mean i deserve unfriendly replies to my posts .

Anyway lets chill guys .

packer

10-05-2002, 12:45

so where is my coke and cigar?

DeanI

10-05-2002, 15:11

if you get a coke and cigar i want one to;)

themis_t

10-05-2002, 16:37

i ll take the cike but no cigar....

emptyeighty

11-05-2002, 01:24

Yeah, cokes great. I got some in the fridge still. But no smoking, its bad for your health.

packer

11-05-2002, 02:32

okay cigar is bad m,aybe a splint...

emptyeighty

11-05-2002, 02:36

Now its gone...

packer

11-05-2002, 02:55

what is?

emptyeighty

11-05-2002, 03:01

Cokes gone now. I just drank it. Ah, this refreshing taste that only a coke can deliver... No, they dont pay me.

laffin tattie

11-05-2002, 03:24

In my own opinion nothing is quite like a large southern comfort neat on the rocks .

Cigars are smelly and dont impress the ladies .

Coke rots your teeth .

Diet coke is nice , but there is a range of beers i prefer before the coke .

Stella Artois is my preferance , and a tube of pringles .

packer

11-05-2002, 04:11

nothing can beat biltong!

emptyeighty

11-05-2002, 07:58

I like milk. It really rocks.
I dont like about any sort of alcohol. Just a few like a beer i once drank in Vienna, or some orange-juice with whisky.

gh0sth@cker

12-05-2002, 11:07

Originally posted by laffin tattie
if i have a problem i ask on the other forum i use and 9 times out of 10 i get the help i need
Could you provide me a link to one of the threads in your forum with regards to your queries about this debate about the Plex. I would like to do a bit more reading on the topic. I've read a lot about it at CD Freaks and also seen one of your posts about it whilst I was browsing - member Rabby2?

If you don't wanna post the link on the board, then PM or email me.

themis_t

12-05-2002, 13:46

did he give it to you?...just to know,i don't want the link.....

podunkviller

12-05-2002, 13:50

*drinks ooku* straight from themis's homeland, supposedly :D

themis_t

12-05-2002, 14:00

drinks ookou?what do you mean?

laffin tattie

12-05-2002, 14:06

i did not discuss this topic in the forum i regularly use , so i cant provide the link you ask for , sorry , did not get much response at cdfreaks , i read some posts where people had copied renegade or mohaa with the 24x plex but no reply to my post .

this is the short reply i got by email from oc_freak at cdfreaks.

"sometimes backups works in some drives when burned with aws enabled.
But without aws it's still a no go. And with CloneCD 4 it should not be a
problem to make working backups as long as aws is enabled.

I don't have plextor 24X myself so I can't say for sure.
Why bother since it works with CCD 4 & aws anyway?

You still need a litey or something to do it without aws"

I think i will try clone cd4 and experiment a bit , does anyone know how its actually supposed to improve the plextor 24x copying sd2.51 ?

podunkviller

12-05-2002, 21:29

ooku is some weird shit that we find out here in the boondocks, supposedly from greece. tastes real good til the aftertaste, damned black liquorice -stuff

Morglum007

13-05-2002, 04:40

By now,it seems that macrovision designed it protection to defeat cercain combos like plextor and toshiba does.(It were recommended by cloneCD so they have knocked down this combination because they think most pirates over the world uses it).As heard in cdfreaks, it seems that copies will work on toshiba sd-m1602( it was not on sale when sfv2 arrived so this drive plays with no problems the protection) but not in olders.....

Let's pray someday older drives could read this!