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Old 17-05-2005, 11:02
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Starforce Petition!

There seems to be some strong (maybe even heated) discussions happening through these forums regarding the Starforce protection.
Which brings me to start this thread. I would hope that only a simple comment is needed here: "Yes, I am boycotting Starforce games". That is really all that needs to be said! There is no point in congesting this thread with arguments, its not what I would like to see happen here! There is no need to say anything else! If people are serious then leave a short message here.
I would also hope that if this thread gains enough support then it could maybe become a future 'Sticky'? After a few weeks or months we will know if this is worth persueing.
Its not that I am supporting Warez or Piracy, I just dont agree with Software being installed onto my system without my approval!

Come on all, place your support post here. If you dont agree with what I am saying then simply do not post here! A post here is a post counted.

Thankyou for your post/vote.

Ok, a big thankyou to Morglum from cdsteam who has been kind enough to let me use his original Starforce Protected Games List. It was originally a Spanish only list! Feel free to let me know of any other Starforce games which are not on the list? I will edit the list to keep it up to date.

NOTE: List was updated on 21-6-05 from the list supplied by 'thebluegr'. Nice work 'thebluegr'. An Updated list can be found HERE.
'thebluegr' has also supplied some interesting reading which can be found here in Post #125 of this thread.

Starforce Protected Games

- 1944 Battle of the Bulge
- 7 Sins [3.4.71.19]
- Ace Saga
- Afrika Korps VS Desert Rats [v3.3.31.21]
- American Conquest (Russian)
- Anstoss 4
- Area 51
- Army Men (Russian)
- Asterix & Obelix XXL
- Beyond Divinity
- Blitzkrieg Rolling Thunder [v3.4.50.1]
- Breed
- Chaos League
- Club Football 2005
- Codename: Panzers Phase One (3 CDs) [v3.3.37.2]
- Codename: Panzers Phase Two
- Codename: Outbreak [12-10-2001]
- Colin McRae Rally 2005 (DVD) [v3.4.49.1]
- Cossacks: Back to War (Russian)
- Cossacks: European Wars (Russian)
- Cossacks II Napoleonic Wars (2 CDs) [v3.4.65.11]
- Counter Terrorist SF Fire for Effect (DVD) [v3.4.71.19]
- Creature Conflict The Clan Wars
- Cross Racing Championship
- Cycling Manager 3
- Cycling Manager 4 [v3.3.36.1]
- D Day (2 CDs) [v3.4.41.1]
- Dead to Rights (3 CDs) [v3.3.37.26]
- Demonic Speedway (Poland)
- Domination
- Etherlords
- Etherlords 2 (2 CDs) [v3.3.31.21]
- Fair Strike (2 CDs) [v3.3.33.3]
- Fire Department
- Fire Department 2
- Gadget and the Gadgetinis
- Gangland [v3.3.36.1]
- Garfield
- Gooka – The Mystery of Janatris
- GTR FIA GT Racing game (2 CDs) [v3.4.70.2]
- HOMM 4 (Russian)
- Horse Race Manager
- Icewind Dale 2: Heart of Winter
- IL-2 Sturmovik (Russian)
- I-Ninja
- Kill Switch (2 CDs) [v3.3.33.8]
- Korea Forgotten Conflict [v3.3.27.36]
- LMA Manager 2005
- Magna Carte (Korean)
- Magnamedia (Russian)
- Maximus XV: Abraham Strong Space Mercenary
- Medieval Lords
- Might & Magic 9: Writ of Faith (Russian)
- Narsillion (Russian)
- Obscure (1 DVD) [v3.3.36.1]
- Pac Man World 2 [v3.3.30.11]
- Pax Romana [v3.3.30.11] (no information available)
- League Manager 2005[v3.4.50.1] (Spanish)
- Postal 2 Apocalypse Weekend
- Pro Rugby Manager 2
- Psi Ops The Mindgate Conspiracy
- Psychotoxic
- Rally Championship Xtreme
- Real Madrid Club Soccer (DVD) [v3.4.50.1] (Spanish)
- Rendezvous 3 (Russian)
- Restricted Area
- Scrapland (2 CDs) [v3.4.50.1]
- Second Sight
- Seventh Seal (Asian)
- Shade Wrath of Angels [v3.4.53.0]
- Shtyrlits 3: USSR Agent (Russian)
- Siege of Avalon (Russian)
- Silent Hunter III [v3.4.71.19]
- Silkolene Honda Motocross GP
- Singles [v3.3.33.6]
- Singles 2
- Sniper (Poland)
- Soldiers Heroes of WWII [v3.3.36.1]
- Splinter Cell Chaos Theory [v3.4.71.19]
- Still Life
- Street Racing Syndicate
- Sudeki
- SuperPower 2
- Tennis Masters Series: Battleground of Champions (Asian)
- The Black Mirror (2 CDs) [v3.3.27.36]
- The Fall Last days of Gaia (2 CDs) [v3.4.63.3]
- The Heroes of Three Kingdoms (Asian)
- The I Of The Dragon (Russian)
- The Kreed [v3.3.27.36]
- The Moment of Silence
- The Suffering (2 CDs) [v3.3.37.2]
- Toca Race Driver 2 (1 DVD) [v3.3.35.2]
- Trackmania
- Trackmania Sunrise
- UFO Aftermath ( 2 CDs) [v3.3.27.31]
- Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun [v3.3.30.5] (no information available)
- Virtual Skipper 3
- War and Peace
- Will of Steel
- WWII Frontline Command [v3.3.0.26]
- Xpand Rally [v3.3.x.x]
- Xuan-Yuan Sword 4 (Asian) (no information available)

Changes
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- Juana De Arco [v3.3.36.1] ----> Joan D'Arc, protected by SecuROM New / CD-Checks
http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/game...an_of_arc.shtml
- The Entente [v3.3.37.26] ----> protected by CD-Checks
http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/game...e_entente.shtml
- The Black Mirror ----> updated StarForce version, correct is v3.3.35.1
http://m0001.gamecopyworld.com/game...ck_mirror.shtml
- Updated Victoria: An Empire Under the Sun with the proper English title
http://spacetarget.com/games/pc_victoria.shtml
- Updated some of the unknown games
- added some more games
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Here you can read an article about Starforce. It is an interview with Abbie Sommer of StarForce.
She discusses many aspects of the Starforce Protection, what it is, what it does and why it is needed.
Here is just a small portion of that interview:

Question: There's an uproar among segments of the game community that StarForce is installed without user approval. Is this a potential legal concern for your company?

Answer: There is no legal concern because before a user loads a game, he or she has agreed to accept the conditions of the end-user licensing agreement, typically known as a EULA. These are also known as click and go, or click and accept agreements. When you accept, you are saying I will load this game or application at my own risk, and have read and understood the terms. Or there will be a disclaimer that protects the publisher from damages of any kind due to their products’ use. Our product is licensed to our customers, and becomes part of their product, so the user by accepting the terms, is giving approval.


Now here Abbie states "When you accept, you are saying I will load this game or application at my own risk, and have read and understood the terms."

Tell me please people, how many of you, after reading the EULA, actually understood, from those terms, that an intrusive protection was going to be installed onto your system? Do you think her statement only implies to 'The Game' itself? I believe the EULA should tell us about the protection being installed!
If in fact there was nothing to worry about why is this statement included?
"Or there will be a disclaimer that protects the publisher from damages of any kind due to their products’ use"
The word 'Products' should really only say 'Game'! After all that is all we have been made aware of installing, as thats all it says earlier!
To be fair to the gamer this is how I believe that part or the EULA should be written:
"I will load this game and the Protection application at my own risk, and have read and understood the terms."

I still believe it is only a matter of time before this issue finds its way into a court of Law! The wording of documents like the EULA must be written in a way so as not to decieve the consumer! We must be given the opportunity to be 'fully' aware as to what we are actually installing!

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Old 17-05-2005, 11:18
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Id just like a sticky here with links to the gamelist with SF.

But I hope they do go down the tubes too.....

I buy all my games,and will attempt at my very best to avoid
any SF games,mainly because I use a RAID system on SCSI.

The GTR demo,back last year,gave me a fit I'd care not to explain.....
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Old 17-05-2005, 11:25
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I will boycot Starforce too, because i dont like Drivers, which run in the back and i don't know what they do!

Sry for my bad english
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Old 17-05-2005, 11:47
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that`s the reason why i will boycott sf games. and i think that it can`t be that the protection drivers don`t allow to read dpm info from cd`s anymore. that is a feature, which is necessary to make copies of your original discs.
i think that it should be forbidden for the programmers of protections to manipulate installed software or to run a driver like a trojan in the background.

sorry, but my english is also not perfect
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Old 17-05-2005, 12:00
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i refuse to buy any more starforce protected games
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Old 17-05-2005, 12:50
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I am boycotting Starforce games.

Starforce=Virus
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Old 17-05-2005, 12:55
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I have always been boycotting them, since I tried a sf3 game once (it was Black Mirror, I think).....

Many titles slipped me by, but...so did the money for the developer!
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Old 17-05-2005, 12:56
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time for an anti-virus application

I HATE StarForce, I will never buy any SF protected game, even if it is rewarded as 'Game of the century' or whatever.
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No starforce for me either.. Never ever... EVER!
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yes I refuse to buy any starforce game i wont mess up my pc over that Shlt did it once never again DIE STARFORCE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Don't worry guys, Sooner or later D-tools or any emulation tool will find a way to solve this problem as I am sure Starforce is also a great problem to them besides to us.
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And with the new Starforce Version after the new D-Tools release there wont work anything! And the Starforce Virus is still installed on your PC!
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As with any addiction, I'll buy it if its a must have. But as a rule of thumb, no I wont purchase Starforce protected games.

So far I've only bought one and that was the last one. I had to reformat and the game went on Ebay. But if 9/10 of my buddies are playing the game and the game lasts more than 6 months, then I will try once more. So far that hasnt happen. Most games are a flash and forgotten in a couple months. Oh well, at least I found a way to save some money.
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And with the new Starforce Version after the new D-Tools release there wont work anything! And the Starforce Virus is still installed on your PC!
Sorry for my lack of knowedge, you mentioned Starforce Virus? What are those? I have Kasperky anti-virus installed but when installing Stronghold2 I do not get any alert so is after scanning my PC with it? Do you mean StarForce Virus as a real virus?
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Sorry for my lack of knowedge, you mentioned Starforce Virus? What are those? I have Kasperky anti-virus installed but when installing Stronghold2 I do not get any alert so is after scanning my PC with it? Do you mean StarForce Virus as a real virus?

Perhaps because U installed a Non Starforce protected game!

Stronhold 2 protection is:Securom 7
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