Newbie ----> play import-games on mod ps2, please help.....

[dr_schnaggelz]

some weeks ago, i installed the neo 2.2 on my pal ps2. i use it with the dvd region x - codefree.

in the last days i ordererd the original us-ntsc version of metal gear solid 2: sons of liberty.

until yesterday i believed that i would be able to play the us version on my mod ps2.

a friend of mine told me, that it is not possible to play any ntsc original on a mod pal ps2.

now i am not sure what i should believe and what not.
i am going mad.

can someone tell me if it is possible to play the original mgs2 us-ntsc version on my mod pal ps2 or not.
and if it is possible could you tell me how i boot the game.

thanx to everyone who helps me.

[GunBlade]

Amazing. It's like you just told my story from a few days ago!
I also bought a PS2 PAL and Orderd Metal Gear Solid 2 from the US, and then went mad when I started hearing that it might not be possible to play it.
Well, I have some good news... And some bad ones...
The guy who installed my chip explained everything to me leaving me more or less knowledgable, so here it goes:

First the bad news - Currently, you can't play original NTSC imports on a PAL PS2. Don't even think about installing the NEO4, because it still has many issues and problems you DON'T want to face, and it probably won't boot your NTSC games anyway.

Now for the good news! You are lucky to have a PAL PS2 and not an NTSC PS2 for the following reasons:
1>You can play backups of NTSC games PATCHED to PAL, so in any case, you will be able to backup your game properly into a "PAL" version and play it.
2>Currently, the NTSC PS2 is not capable of Playing any region of DVD, while yours can!!!!!

So in conclusion, you can enjoy all the worlds with the current Mod Chip, while NTSC PS2 can't! So don't worry! When you get Metal Gear Solid 2, just start reading some instructions, and BURN BABY,BURN!

[dr_schnaggelz]

mmmmh......

thanx GunBlade.

now i know that i will be able to play us-ntsc versions on my ps2.

it isn`t the way i mentioned it to weork but it`s better than nothing or having a us ps2... ;-)

in somedays i think i need some help again.
because mgs2 comes along on a dvd i think.

then i need a ntsc-2-pal patch and a dvd rip, right ?????

and i have no idea to handle with a dvd rip.... :-(

[GunBlade]

This is more complicated then I thought myself, but I guess it's be worth it when FFX comes out.
Anyway, I was surprised to find out just a few minutes ago that THERE IS a chip capable of playing Original imports (Check out the "NEWBIE ALERT" post I have in this forum). Now I'm trying to find out why noone ever mentioned it and everybody gets only the NEO chip.

[dr_schnaggelz]

yes, you are right !!!!!

i think it is worthy forb oth of them: ffx and mgs2.

i´ve read the post about the origa-chip and i watched the page charlie mentioned.
mmmh... the problem is that the chip should be hard to install.
it took a while until i found some one who installed the neo 2.2 for me.

i am not a technic freak... :-(
and i don`t want to damage my ps2. so i will wait until there is a safe way to boot import games on my ps2.
meanwhile i use the backup technique so far it works.....

are you experienced in patching and dvd-ripping ??

i patched a lot of ps1 games with the ppf and cdrwin. that was easy. i think patching ps2 games ist the same.

but i wonder how the dvd-rips are working. and if it is possible to patch it ntsc-2-pal and rip it also ??

i think i check out the guides at www.megagames.com

i hope that there will be soon a guide for mgs2...... *hope*

[Charlie]

dr_schnaggelz

I didn't piss around and didn't hesitate in getting Madeira Games to install the Origachip. There will never be a way of booting import originals other than via a complex chip (many wires) that has to read from and write to registers so as to fool the PS2 into thinking that legal things have happened.

[Charlie]

dr_schnaggelz

I didn't piss around and didn't hesitate in getting Madeira Games to install the Origachip. There will never be a way of booting import originals other than via a complex chip (many wires) that has to read from and write to registers so as to fool the PS2 into thinking that legal things have happened.

[GunBlade]

But how did you get them to install the chip for you? You actually sent your PS2 and waited for them to return it to you?

[Charlie]

It's a service they offer. You can book the PS2 in, take it down there and hang around town for two or three hours and take it back. For some several squids more, they'll arrange collection and re-dispatch.

Do you want to play import originals on your PS2?

[GunBlade]

I kinda live in Israel... Do you think they have a service station here? (No need to answer that).

[Charlie]

GunBlade (14-11-2001 20:34):
I kinda live in Israel... Do you think they have a service station here? (No need to answer that).
Well we do keep our good news to the end, don't we?

Send an email to info@hardstore.com and ask them who is the OrigaChip installer in Israel. As I said before, do you want to play import originals?

Good luck

[GunBlade]

I just E-Mailed them, I wish they answer soon, otherwise I'll Install a NEO2.2.

[Charlie]

You won't go wrong with the NEO2.2. You'll just have to make backups of your import originals (with CloneCD) and that's no bad thing. I know the feeling of impatience when you are itching to go. I was like that with the OrigaChip which is why I took the thing along to them. I have had the odd mail correspondence with Hardstore and their reply cycle varies from 1 day to three. Beats playstaionmods.com (makers of NEO) who haven't replied to a single e-mail of mine.

[dr_schnaggelz]

i found some stores in germany which can install the origa. and in some weeks it`ll happen. unfortunately i am short with money in the moment..... :-(

but waiting some weeks is not a big problem.

i have some questions and i hope charlie or anyone else with detailed knowledge can answer me... :-)

1.) my burner isn`t compatible with cdclone :-(
i have nero and cdrwin. i know that cdrwin is needed for games which have to be patched (i think it is the same as
patching ps1 games, isn`t it ?) . but does it also work for 1:1 copies? or does it nero ? or which burner software is
the next best for 1:1 copies ??

2.) copies of ea games, do they really all need a ea-patch ?? or is there another way to boot them ? and is it right that
the origa chip doesn`t need a patch to boot them ?

3.) about the dvd-rip: how does it work ? i think it is like patching a game but what if the game doesn`t fit on a single
cd? i saw a gran turismo 3 dvd rip which was for 2 cds. how do i have to imagine this stuff ? when have the discs to
be changed ??
and then the next question: what`s about an import game on a dvd ? is the dvd-rip an the ntsc-2-pal patch
needed??

so, i hope i haven`t bored anyone and someone can help me.

thanx to everyone who answers and helps me !!!!!

[Charlie]

1.) my burner isn`t compatible with cdclone :-(
i have nero and cdrwin. i know that cdrwin is needed for games which have to be patched (i think it is the same as patching ps1 games, isn`t it ?) . but does it also work for 1:1 copies? or does it nero ? or which burner software is the next best for 1:1 copies ??
ANSWER: Then you have a potential problem no matter which chip you use. CDRWin will patch any game for which a patch is identoified in one of the databases on the web (e.g. www.sgt-dan.com). But for trouble free copying, CloneCD is the answer. So, save and get a compatible burner if you can, otherwise it's CDRWin and patching.

2.) copies of ea games, do they really all need a ea-patch ?? or is there another way to boot them ? and is it right that the origa chip doesn`t need a patch to boot them ?
ANSWER: EA games play first time if copied with CloneCD. Otherwise they need patching via the method and with the tools to be found on www.eapatcher.com. The OrigaChip is no different from others in this respect.

3.) about the dvd-rip: how does it work ? i think it is like patching a game but what if the game doesn`t fit on a single cd? i saw a gran turismo 3 dvd rip which was for 2 cds. how do i have to imagine this stuff ? when have the discs to be changed ??
ANSWER: We are woking through Paris-Dakar DVD Rip and haven't reached the disk change. Others on the forum have done this and I hope they answer.

4.) what`s about an import game on a dvd ? is the dvd-rip and the ntsc-2-pal patch
needed??
ANSWER: With the Origachip a DVD import original will play (no swap). To get round the NTSC prblem (if it occurs), you'd need a fully loaded PS2-SCART lead (in the UK made by BLAZE). There'll be an equivalent in Germany probably at Makro which is where I bought one recently. So no need to copy the import; no need to rip the import; just play it.

[GunBlade]

Well, I didn't get a respond from the company, and I'm installing a NEO2.2 Chip today. As you said, one can't go wrong with it, and as I see it, it's always removeable (At least, that's what the guy who is about to install it says).
I haven't tried to read the Cloning instructions yet, so, if I'll get myself an NTSC game, I guess I'll have to back it up to play it...
Thanks anyways!

[Charlie]

That's fine. Remember, CloneCD to copy and DVD Region X are excellent no trouble combinations, especially for EA games.

[GunBlade]

Just got it! I'm happy now :)
You tell me to use CloneCD. Will it work on DVD's?

[Charlie]

Well done. For DVDs, it's not possible to use CloneCD. You either need to rip DVDs to CD using procedures set out in tutorials at ####://www.ps2ownz.com , or buy a Pioneer A03 DVD-R with PrimoDVD software. You're in for the duration, I'm afraid! Welcome to the show.

[dr_schnaggelz]

:-)

at saturday i gave my ps2 to a shop that installs the NEW ORIGA-CHIP for me *cheeeeeeeer*
this new version should work better than the first. it allows you also to boot any ps1 copie and original ps1 import games.
tomorrow i`ll get it back and then i can play mgs2 and other cool ntsc games.
thanx to charlie, without you i would have never heard about the origa chip.

but i have another 2 questions:

1.) a friend of mine bought a new dvd region x (he has installed the common origa chip). it is one of a new generation which doesn`t need the dongle anymore. there is only the boot-cd within the package. instead of the dongle you must have equiped a memory card at your ps2.
does anyone knows if the "new" dvd region x allows him to boot original imports and backups on his ps2 ?
and works it the same as the "old" version ?????

2.) unfortunately my burner doen`t work with clone cd. does anyone know if "discjuggler" is able to create useful 1:1 copies of ps2 games ??????

thanx to everyone who helps me.

[Charlie]

thanx to charlie, without you i would have never heard about the origa chip.

ANSWER: You're really welcome. It's amazing how people haven't discovered the OrigaChip. No hype, just silently working well!

1.) a friend of mine bought a new dvd region x (he has installed the common origa chip). it is one of a new generation which doesn`t need the dongle anymore. there is only the boot-cd within the package. instead of the dongle you must have equiped a memory card at your ps2. does anyone knows if the "new" dvd region x allows him to boot original imports and backups on his ps2 ?
and works it the same as the "old" version ?????

ANSWER: I use the "new" DVD Region X on OrigaChip; DAL uses it (I think it's the new one) on NEO2.x. I can boot all original imports; DAL can't. Don't know about the "old" version - never used it.

2.) unfortunately my burner doen`t work with clone cd. does anyone know if "discjuggler" is able to create useful 1:1 copies of ps2 games ??????

ANSWER: Only CLoneCD does proper 1:1 copies. If you have games that need this facility (EA, sub-channel protected) then go the extra mile and get a compatible burner. My advice is to avoid HP; Yamaha is least trouble and guaranteed results.

[GunBlade]

Well, I will not have an OrigaChip in the near future.
Am I screwed?

[Charlie]

Gunblade, in your last post you said you were happy!

Why should you be screwed? All you've got to do to play everything currently available on CD is to make a CloneCD copy of it.

[GunBlade]

Yeah, But something is bothering me:
How do I know if a burned game I recieve contains all of the game? I mean, I just got Devil May Cry and it lacks a few movies!
I don't wanna play incomplete games, or rips! I wanna play the whole game with all the movies and everything!
How do I check this?

[Charlie]

Then you have either to buy a DVD-R or the original game. That's obvious! OrigaChip doesn't change that.

[cheesy]

You can! get AR2 and follow these instructions:

1. Power on with AR2" in PS2 (keep reset button pressed)
2.Select start game
3.Press EJECT & swap with an original PAL game (GT3 PAL works well)
4.Wait 10 seconds
4.5 Select without codes
5.Let go of reset (draw opens for 4 seconds)
6. Swap with origional
7 Press X as soon as draw starts to close

This works 100% with Neo 2.2 and DVD's NTSC/PAL

Dont forget you must keep hold of reset up to step 5

Needs a bit of practice for some but it does work
Good Luck

[Charlie]

Gunblade, I'm not sure Cheesy's answered your question. You asked how you can find out whether a DVD rip has all the movies etc - is it incomplete?

As I've explained, a DVD rip is incopmplete and it is difficult (not impossible) to find out what's missing by knowing the contents of the DVD version and compating it with the rip. Smaller files mean a downsample; missing files mean missing files.

[GunBlade]

He didn't answer my question, But I think he just answerd a bigger question... How to play original imports! is this true? Is this possible with the NEO 2.2?

[dr_schnaggelz]

GunBlade (21-11-2001 12:04):
He didn't answer my question, But I think he just answerd a bigger question... How to play original imports! is this true? Is this possible with the NEO 2.2?

mmmh GunBlade, i don`t think that he answered your question. what he discribed is how to boot DVDr`s (copied DVD`s)
the guy who installed the origa chip for me said that only messiah and origa are able to boot ntsc originals !!!!!!!!
and i have heared that the messiah chip will be released in next two weeks !!!!!
perhaps you can find someone next to you in israel who can install that chip for you.

yesterday i played mgs2 for the first time (it was easy to boot it with origa/dvd region x combo !!) and i had to think about you. i hope you`ll soon find a store which can install the origa or messiah for you to play original ntsc versions.
or you`ll find someone who is able to create dvd copies......

good luck !!!!

[GunBlade]

I don't want DVD copies! I want originals!
Damn that NEO Chip!
I wish that I had a way to play Metal Gear Solid 2!

[Charlie]

Emigrate?

[dr_schnaggelz]

Charlie (21-11-2001 17:24):
Emigrate?


isn`t it a little bit to hard... ? ;-)

i think even in israel there should be possibility`s to get a origa or messiah chip installed.