View Full Version : Any Self-Install Tips for a DMS3
redgamma
10-11-2003, 15:53
I would love it if anyone could provide some posts of their experiences with any soldering-required installs they have done in the past.
I am waiting for my DMS to arrive. Any hints or tips (tools, methods, cautions, etc) that will help be prepare would be mucho appreciated. If this info is already available on this forum somewhere, I apologize for posting this. If you could link me to it, that would be great.
I think I'll cut down on the caffeine for the next few days to let my hands steady up a bit!
Thanks in advance...
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redgamma
crazygamelover
10-11-2003, 16:30
if im not mistaken, charlie ps2 may be able to guide you in the right direction if you can catch him online. he has good recommendations from previous members on this subject.
if not him, tyler or bighap may be able to help. hope you get it working. good luck.
sorry i couldnt be much help though.
15 to 18 watt iron, low meltin point solder, 0.10 tip a steady hand,a jewellers eye glass or a 8x magnifying glass.good light .no kids:) :) :) take it slow if it your first time,muti meter for checking bridge just in case if any one whats to add to my be i forgot something ohhh yeah and ps2 :D :D fibreglass pen for cleaning the mobo where your going to solder
Originally posted by redgamma
excellent...thanks for the list, jackdor! i would consider myself competent, but not an adept when it comes to soldering...is it fairly straightforward? the chips come with clear instructions? sounds like you've done a few...
thanks again...
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redgamma
just a few but don't tell no one , if it is your first time it can be hard, but, take your time, remember there is no rush dont leave the iron on the solder points on the mobo and it should be fine, but I must ask what version of ps2 are you doing?....if it is a v9 then you should really get a pro to do it....but if older console then you should be able to do it. What wires you using? kaynar wire is good and just as good is enameled and use good ground wires and positives. Bigger in size , I am sure someone here can give us the awg`s sizes, cant remember them off my head......
crazygamelover
10-11-2003, 22:21
hey guys, i just wanted to post a reply on here cause i am gonna be facing the same situation in another 2 weeks so i went ahead and posted a reply for the email notes to follow up on what to do when i get mine too. easier than posting a whole new thread on the same subject. thanks for the tips
redgamma
11-11-2003, 02:58
<- jackdor ->
it IS a v9...cr@p!
does the modchip not come with the appropriate wiring?
anyone else care to shed some light on which wiring to get for a ps2 v9 running the newest dms3 for v9's?
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redgamma
crazygamelover
11-11-2003, 03:34
hey redgamma, i did a little homework on it real quick and came up with a slew of web sites on this subject. check it out.....
type in the ask question field, "ps2 modchip installation tips on soldering".
http://www.ask.com
Basically the problem with fitting to a version 9 is that some of the wires need to go to Vias on the motherboard. These are smaller than the solder pads on the version 5,6 and 7. The alternative is to solder directly to chiplegs which is a bit of a nightmare.
However, take your time ( like put aside a whole day to do it ), an you'll be fine.
The first mod install I did was a Messiah 1 an it took me about 5 hours. Now I can get an M2 in in about an hour (Yep, still slow, I know). My m8 who does it for a living can get one done in half that time..... but we all started slow.
To be really honest, if you've got any doubt then get an installer to do it for you. I'm lucky that I've got access to professional surface mount soldering kit but have done one at home with magnifier an smally soldering iron.
Ottos top tip is use liquid flux.....LOADS OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Top tip two is always use Kynar insulated awg30 wire for all connections except the 3.5Volt line and the ground. Use something slightly thicker for that.
I installed an M2 into a version 4 console about 10 times and couldn't get it to run ps2 backups, PS1 backups booted fine, so after ripping my hair out an having a breakdown I tried using the recommended wire rather than any old cheap thin wire an it worked perfectly first time. It does make a big difference what wire you use.
Final comment: turn the clockwire into a twisted pair i.e run the wire and run a second wire connected from ground on the chip board to a groundpoint on the ps2 ( I use the gold edge around the motherboard) and twist em together. This puts a sipble shield around the clockwire an reduces the chance of emc problems on the clockwire.
Regards
seaneyb2003
11-11-2003, 09:41
dude whats flux spray?
i used the flux paste to clean the end of my soldering iron why do u need to spray in onto the motherboard
can also use a flux pen. It helps to make solder get a good contact
seaneyb2003
11-11-2003, 10:21
hey jackdor your mr fixit arnt ya
yeah i used flux paste it cleans the iron as well as makes a good connectionm you dont wanna get a dry joint now do ya
Originally posted by jackdor
he he he what this Tip Tinner/Cleaner TTC 1 i find this good for copper tip at 0.12
TylerDurden
11-11-2003, 10:57
Yeah I figured that out right away. Anyways, as long as ol jack keeps his cool I wont have to get Empire to ban his local like he did with Zedy.
Tyler!
Originally posted by TylerDurden
Yeah I figured that out right away. Anyways, as long as ol jack keeps his cool I wont have to get Empire to ban his local like he did with Zedy.
Tyler! i am playing ball ain't i:D :D :D :D
TylerDurden
11-11-2003, 11:57
Sure, as long as there are no more silly PM's your doing fine.
Tyler!
seaneyb2003
11-11-2003, 12:24
yeah what was that all about jackdor!
redgamma
11-11-2003, 13:41
sheeesh, that's a ton of info! thanks for all of the posts, gang.
I don't know if I am up to the task or not. I might consider holding off modding the new system until it's had a chance to be on the market for a bit longer. Maybe something new will come out; my buddy has had a no-solder chip in his since last xmas, and it's worked flawlessly. Might wait for one of those...
Thanks though, you've been really helpful.
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redgamma
seaneyb2003
11-11-2003, 13:47
ok take the soldering slow dont get a non solder mod chip
smoochie78
11-11-2003, 20:11
alrite guys, whats wromg with a non solder modchip
this is getting really confusing
i want to make back ups but have serious probs with finding somewhere local (london england) to do the internal jobby for moi. is it easy enough to do yourself, but then again, i gonnna have the prob of buying all the soldering equipment- there must be an easy option thats works sweeeeeeett????? Hellllllpp!
got a V7 i think, well its an shoc 300003 R??????
SCPH 30003r is either a version 4 or 5 not a 7 dude. If its a version 5 then you'll have no problems but if it a version 4 you still have vias to solder which can be a bit tricky. By the time you've got all the gear u need u would be as well to get sum1 else to do it.
Regards
redgamma
12-11-2003, 16:49
Originally posted by smoochie78
alrite guys, whats wromg with a non solder modchip
this is getting really confusing
i want to make back ups but have serious probs with finding somewhere local (london england) to do the internal jobby for moi. is it easy enough to do yourself, but then again, i gonnna have the prob of buying all the soldering equipment- there must be an easy option thats works sweeeeeeett????? Hellllllpp!
got a V7 i think, well its an shoc 300003 R??????
my buddy has a v7 with the no-solder chip available from modchip.com; works perfectly in his, although you do have to use the swap magic disks...doesn't sound like it's a big deal for him though...
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redgamma
Originally posted by ottoman
Basically the problem with fitting to a version 9 is that some of the wires need to go to Vias on the motherboard. These are smaller than the solder pads on the version 5,6 and 7. The alternative is to solder directly to chiplegs which is a bit of a nightmare.
However, take your time ( like put aside a whole day to do it ), an you'll be fine.
The first mod install I did was a Messiah 1 an it took me about 5 hours. Now I can get an M2 in in about an hour (Yep, still slow, I know). My m8 who does it for a living can get one done in half that time..... but we all started slow.
To be really honest, if you've got any doubt then get an installer to do it for you. I'm lucky that I've got access to professional surface mount soldering kit but have done one at home with magnifier an smally soldering iron.
Ottos top tip is use liquid flux.....LOADS OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Top tip two is always use Kynar insulated awg30 wire for all connections except the 3.5Volt line and the ground. Use something slightly thicker for that.
I installed an M2 into a version 4 console about 10 times and couldn't get it to run ps2 backups, PS1 backups booted fine, so after ripping my hair out an having a breakdown I tried using the recommended wire rather than any old cheap thin wire an it worked perfectly first time. It does make a big difference what wire you use.
Final comment: turn the clockwire into a twisted pair i.e run the wire and run a second wire connected from ground on the chip board to a groundpoint on the ps2 ( I use the gold edge around the motherboard) and twist em together. This puts a sipble shield around the clockwire an reduces the chance of emc problems on the clockwire.
Regards
Good advise Otto :)
colburn2769
14-11-2003, 07:13
ive got a v7, how difficult is the install with the dms3 v2.0?
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