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I made a backup of GP3 2000 season add on which is SD2 protected, However the copy won't play in all CD-Rom drives.
I used my Toshiba SDM1212 DVD for extraction(CloneCD latest version from Elby, subchannel on for data and audio, fast error skip on, 5 retries and no correction) and burnt it with my Philips 1208K.
The problem is it plays fine when using either my Toshiba DVD drive, the Philips burner and a Teac 32x ide. It fails on aopen 50x and Toshiba 40x cdrom..
Any ideas?(perhaps extracting it with the burner?)
I cant be sure that the protection is sd2 as proxylok now pretends to be sd2 by copying the characteristics of sd2.
however correct emf encoding is not required?
what the hell are you talking about i hear you ask?
well proxylok originals dont work with aopen cdroms, although most software companys will release a game update that fixes this problem.
(this happened in gangsters 2).
try updating the game with a offical update, and compare the "wrong cd msg" with the one from sd2 ... it should say "no cd or incorrect disk inserted" - if it says anything different from this then its not sd2 and hence your problem in that the protection is likely to be proxylok.
all sd2 backups either 100% work (correct emf encoding)
fail 100% or
work only in the burner which created them (or so im told).
thus it is unlikely that if you backup works in drives other than your burner but no in all drives, then the protection is proxylok NOT SD2.
hope ive helped, if not feel free to complain or ask more...
The error message I get with the Aopen and Toshiba CD-Rom drive is the ~xxxx.tmp one.
I was lead to believe this was an error message generated when an SD2 CD was copied wrongly. (Digital signature not correctly copied, I got this message also when I copied the CD with my other Plextor 124TS burner, which doesn't handle the EFM encoding correctly)
I must say that I haven't tried reading the image using the 1208k burner and I have used a CD-RW(I wanted to test if it would work at all)
Hmmm.....some things to discuss here!
@Indy
Firstly, it is not uncommon for copies only to work in certain readers. Have you tried any other SD2 titles? Many SD2 titles won't even run/install from originals on some cdroms. Max Payne is a classic. They had to release an update almost immediately as it wouldn't run from some drives.
To be sure it's SD2, use DeCode's Safedisc Analyser (see link above) and analyse the .exe files on the cd, as well as those found after install.
Also, you don't need subchannel data ticked in read....SD1 and SD2 doesn't use it.
And latest versions of SD2 check the ATIP of a cd to see if it's pressed silver or a cdr/cdrw. I.e. it will only run fromma cdrom....further narrowing down the drive options.
@TonyG
What is ProxLok?? Heard of Codelok/copylok, which can be decrypted with POXYLOK?? Gangsters 2 was codelok/copylok.
The error message is not comparable. That is wholely dependant on the software house NOT Macrovision's programming. If you don't believe me, try and run Black & White with no cd (SD2) and look for an error window/message........there isn't one. Now look at Max Payne, Clive Barker'[s undying etc etc....they're all different.
And finally, as for your "either they work 100%, or they fail 100%, or they only work in the burners they were burnt in".....any more options there mate??!!
SD2 is a strange beast. There is no true hard and fast rule other than having the original.
crispy (15-10-2001 11:16):
Hmmm.....some things to discuss here!
@Indy
Firstly, it is not uncommon for copies only to work in certain readers. Have you tried any other SD2 titles? Many SD2 titles won't even run/install from originals on some cdroms. Max Payne is a classic. They had to release an update almost immediately as it wouldn't run from some drives.
To be sure it's SD2, use DeCode's Safedisc Analyser (see link above) and analyse the .exe files on the cd, as well as those found after install.
Also, you don't need subchannel data ticked in read....SD1 and SD2 doesn't use it.
And latest versions of SD2 check the ATIP of a cd to see if it's pressed silver or a cdr/cdrw. I.e. it will only run fromma cdrom....further narrowing down the drive options.
I have checked the CD with Safedisc Analyser
According to that it's "V2.30.031"
So I presume it is Safedisc2 protection used, I'll try to burn it to a CD-R(instead of CD-RW) and read the original with the burner instead of the Toshiba DVD..
***Previous msg withdrawn*** -- too insulting
Now for some corrections now im back to myself.
Yes Gangsters 2 was codelok/copylok and that was what i was talking about, a silly mistake as i wasnt thinking straight.
now for some very polite corrections to your mesage...
(1) you ask about what other options exist, i was suggesting that with sd2 it is rare that a copy works in one cd rom and not another.
(2) the error msg i was taking about is the macrovision box that comes up NOT the windows internal error, simply because i was trying to see if this game was sd2 protected.
as for max payne, b&w, gansters 2 of any protected game for that fact including secure rom, sd 1&2 , clopylok, and any other modern protection if you dont put the cd in and dont have a cracked exe or loader then you will get the offical msg ie "Please insert correct disk" and this is msg , is indictive of the copy protection ie it is not the same for any 2 cd protections
(3) The quote "SD2 is a strange beast. There is no true hard and fast rule other than having the original." was made a long time ago by the creator of clonecd. However if you have an acer or phillips chip set burner (like i do) then you can ALWAYS backup sd2 protected games, although i use my mitsumi 4804te to read the original cd as its faster and is a more capable reader than the acer/ phillip chipset burners.
i appoligise if you saw and were offended by the origional msg, i just dont like being corrected, because i do know alot about copy protections i just find it hard to communicate in english.
Burnt the same image I used to write on a 10x Nashua CD-RW on a Ricoh CD-R(didn't want to waste one the first time) it now works..
Apparently both the Aopen and Toshiba CD-rom have trouble reading a CD-RW copy of GP3 2000.
BTW I burnt the CD-R at 4x(!)
@Tony G
Chill matey. I wasn't having a personal dig at you just correcting the inaccuracies in your statement.
Your first correction.."you ask about what other options exist, i was suggesting that with sd2 it is rare that a copy works in one cd rom and not another"
That's not terribly accurate as many copies produced by e.g. Plextor 8432 will only work in the burner model from which they were created. That's not rare, in fact it's a common occurence. Check out the link and see how many burners are "only readable in recorder"
####://www.geocities.com/pcp-freak/4cdfreaks/SafeDisc2.html
Secondly....
"the error msg i was taking about is the macrovision box that comes up NOT the windows internal error, simply because i was trying to see if this game was sd2 protected.
as for max payne, b&w, gansters 2 of any protected game for that fact including secure rom, sd 1&2 , clopylok, and any other modern protection if you dont put the cd in and dont have a cracked exe or loader then you will get the offical msg ie "Please insert correct disk" and this is msg , is indictive of the copy protection ie it is not the same for any 2 cd protections"
What Macrovision box?? Never seen one of those. No game uses a "windows internal error". What you see is a call for windows such as GetMessageBoxA with a string contained therein, which is called from within the game executable itself. There is no hard and fast rule here. Other SD2 titles don't give any error message at al. Go and run Black and White without a cd in the draw, and you'll get dumped to windows without any message. None at all. An error message box is not indicative of any commercial protection mechanism, unless there is consistancy from title to title. Consistancy makes protection too easy to crack.
Take Deus Ex for instance. No cd in the drive generates a error message box. Does this mean this is protected by a commercial protection mechanism? No, 5 minutes in Win32Dasm and that "protection" is removed.
You correctly point out that Ollie used the word "beast" in his original comment on SD2 (posted at CdMediaworld). I apologise for using the same word, even though I haven't read that piece for probably over 8 or 9 months since it was first posted. But the fact is, my statement is true.
And finally, your statement that
"if you have an acer or phillips chip set burner (like i do) then you can ALWAYS backup sd2 protected games"
is again only half true. All Acer models produced in recent times can indeed copy 1:1 SD2 titles. But less than half of Phillips burners can achieve this feat.
####://www.elby.de/CloneCD/english/cdr_p.htm
So if you don't like being corrected, mate, get your facts straight.
By the way, I wouldn't be offended by anything you have or might post, as this is not very important on the grand scheme of things, and just healthy debate.
And last but not least.....@Indy2
Glad you've sorted it matey. Just hope the game is worth it!!
crispy (17-10-2001 00:53):
And last but not least.....@Indy2
Glad you've sorted it matey. Just hope the game is worth it!!
I have the original, didn't have a dire need to make a copy but I'm glad I got it sorted out..
Game is definitely worth it! :)
Besides it's the only game I have around that's SD2 protected atm.(so much for testing others..)
Once more to the battlefield...
Check out the link and see how many burners are "only readable in recorder"
####://www.geocities.com/pcp-freak/4cdfreaks/SafeDisc2.html
????????tg: i have heard this from alot of plextor owners although it doesnt make any sense that this would be the case....
Secondly....
What Macrovision box?? Never seen one of those. No game uses a "windows internal error".
????????tg: the box that says "Please insert correct cd" + a windows interal error can be expressed though an invalid page fault
What you see is a call for windows such as GetMessageBoxA with a string contained therein, which is called from within the game executable itself. There is no hard and fast rule here. Other SD2 titles don't give any error message at al. Go and run Black and White without a cd in the draw, and you'll get dumped to windows without any message. None at all. An error message box is not indicative of any commercial protection mechanism, unless there is consistancy from title to title.
????????tg: which it often is...
Consistancy makes protection too easy to crack.
????????True but macrovision still uses the same msg from sd1
Take Deus Ex for instance. No cd in the drive generates a error message box.
????????tg: (which is rarely used elsewhere)
Does this mean this is protected by a commercial protection mechanism? No, 5 minutes in Win32Dasm and that "protection" is removed.
????????tg: dont really care
You correctly point out that Ollie used the word "beast" in his original comment on SD2 (posted at CdMediaworld). I apologise for using the same word, even though I haven't read that piece for probably over 8 or 9 months since it was first posted. But the fact is, my statement is true.
????????tg: You want a fast rule? do what i do, hasnt failed yet so your statement is false
And finally, your statement that
"if you have an acer or phillips chip set burner (like i do) then you can ALWAYS backup sd2 protected games"
is again only half true. All Acer models produced in recent times can indeed copy 1:1 SD2 titles. But less than half of Phillips burners can achieve this feat.
####://www.elby.de/CloneCD/english/cdr_p.htm
????????tg: No mate, you look at the updated clonecd site to see that almost all modern phillips burners have been added
So if you don't like being corrected, mate, get your facts straight.
????????tg: no mistakes (its you whose not speaking from experience)
By the way, I wouldn't be offended by anything you have or might post, as this is not very important on the grand scheme of things, and just healthy debate.
????????tg: (so be it, im happy you feel that way)
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